I don't see an easy way out of this.
The real estate bubble collapsed, then the bail out bubble collapsed, what's left? They just turned the printing press on full steam and the economy already crested. I mean there's talk of another war but lets face it this country is about fed up with war and it won't really help. I've seen projections of anywhere from 4% to 10% inflation annually. What's left holding the economy up after this? I'm kinda scared, this may actually be it.
"I prefer a sane world where you are rewarded by providing people with something they want. Not arbitrarily rewarded in a status game that reminds me of chimpanzees." - nazgulnarsil
Here I am with my empire
I’ll bring you to your knees
Ebb and flow with my desire
Cause its all that you’ve been taught to be
I'm not too worried since I'm in the Army and part of the government.
I left America in December last year and the Economy was grim then, it looks grimmer now.
I blame the Clinton Administration for everything.
Simply due because he cut the military monetary allowance. Making the military weaker. He wanted to dissolve either the FBI or CIA. And because of that each department kept information to themselves so that they seemed more important than the other.
Information they held could of easily been put together to prevent 9/11
but no one was working with each other.
And then Clinton left the office and gave all the bullshit to Bush.
I'm not saying Bush was great, he did a crappy job as a leader, but remember!
Everyone supported him in the begining.
Bush didn't do a great job of leading but he did what he could.
Now Honorable President Obama is spending America's money and slowly making it a socialist counrty (not a real problem to some).
Which that money could be used to support the war and the troops who need much needed new equipment since the Clinton Administration.
Clinton was no great shakes, but not because he cut our military. What we're experienced 9/11, if not a false flag (I still think it was a false flag attack) was something called "blowback" from previous meddling in the middle east. Essentially, come-uppins. Bush did arguably the second worst job leading the nation in it's history, second of course only to Obama. If we REALLY wanted to fix the economy we would stop printing all this fucking money, pull our military out of every goddamn nation on the planet, fire all those free riding soldiers, and let the companies go bankrupt because, golly gee, they were mismanaged and that's what happens when you fuck around with billions of dollars. But that won't happen, the government will keep printing money and killing brown people and drive us into depression.
I really think soldiers with your kind of mentality are the worst kind of American, even worse than people like my dad. At least my dad just bitches at his tv, you are directly or indirectly responsible for killing people. "I know how it is, I'm OVER HERE WITNESSING IT!" Good for you, I'm sure you're an expert on the region's political background. I'm sure you know all about the home front's problems too. Your tunnel vision is staggering.
It's literally impossible to win the wars we're in because they're wars on ideas, and an idea can't be killed.
"I prefer a sane world where you are rewarded by providing people with something they want. Not arbitrarily rewarded in a status game that reminds me of chimpanzees." - nazgulnarsil
Here I am with my empire
I’ll bring you to your knees
Ebb and flow with my desire
Cause its all that you’ve been taught to be
We're not actually at war in Iraq anymore, we're just trying to accomplish objectives.
War requires use to fight bad guys (badguys=subjective views) ... I'm not exactly sure why we're still here really.
I'm aware of the backlash of Desert Storm and such. I'm saying 9/11 could of been prevented.
But what I just stated is the obvious. Poor economy, poor government, and poor agricultural system is Iraq. We got Sudam out, but we can't just leave them. We had to help support them so that they can stablize themselves.
It isn't working out too well.
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So in other words you want the companies to go Bankrupt... millions of people losing their jobs to a country we're it's difficult already to find a job.
You also want to discharge all the "free riding" joes who joined the military so that they can earn a degree because they grew up in poverty and don't have enough to pay for college. They will return to a country with even more jobless people.
Then you want to remove all the soldiers from nations around the world who collect information to protect America and other nations from attacks and attacking each other.
And then you want to monopoly money to stop being printed so that Health-Care becomes overly expensive. From that people will have to pay a large sum for vaccines.
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America is in a situation where what ever we do things just suck. Obama is trying to make it less suck... but he's doing a horrible job, just like Bush did...
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wait, what exactly am I arguing about? We both agree that things suck now, and possible end our nation...
Are we trying to play the blame game?
I think we should buran all the money except for one, and sell that dollar for trillions of euros.
I see a way out of this. It starts with a c
leo33wii= are you aware the saddam was in place BECAUSE of america? why would you believe that america ACTUALLY wants iraq to stabilize itself? if it is stable and its population is well education, they will stop wanting to be treating as a pool of oil to freely loot from, and demand they, as the citizens of the country, have control over the supply. which is what all western policy in the middle east is set to prevent in the first place.
AHGADJGADJGAD leo33wii he is not making america a socialist country. i wish he was. look at his administration, a bunch of neoliberal nutjobs like timothy geithner. if he was a socialist he would be giving the bailout money to the PEOPLE rather than to the banks.
and are you aware the STAGGERING amount that the us spends on the military? of course clinton should have cut it. the us military is the last thing in the ENTIRE WORLD that needs more money.
TA is a nazi
Also, If we hadn't took out Sadam, terrorists wouldn't be such a big threat.
God: Yes I am aware of it. It's only natural that people take advantage of other people. Many american's do it everyday without regard to their morals, but when a government does it, it's wrong.
Well, some people intrepet free Healthcare as socialism. It doesn't bother me in anyway.
I know, we don't have free Healthcare.
It's just there are bunch of idiotic ideas floating around that are completely wrong.
Hmm... I guess I don't know what I am doing here.
I just know that the banks are the ones who got us into this mess.
People are blaming the executive branch for the economay, but it's congress that can veto what the president has to say and pretty much has more control over our economy.
I like how many Americans blame the President for most of America's homefront issues when it's more or less the people's fault.
I do not blame Obama for any of our problems
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God, the military budget does need more money. I mean shit, look at leo33wii, he hasn't even been issued a brain yet.
"I prefer a sane world where you are rewarded by providing people with something they want. Not arbitrarily rewarded in a status game that reminds me of chimpanzees." - nazgulnarsil
Here I am with my empire
I’ll bring you to your knees
Ebb and flow with my desire
Cause its all that you’ve been taught to be
That how I live my life! Just like that smilie, always running in a panicky circle!
BWUuuuhahahahah....BUUUWAAAHHAAAHAHAAAAAA!......
you hurt my feelers TeenageAngst
BWAAAHAhahahaHAHAhahaha *snot drip*
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I still blame the banks for allowing themselves to loan money to idiots who have a yearly income of $65,000 and want to live like they earn $450,000.
Poor leadership.... and congress.
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Obama was put in a ole in the presidency. Know I do not give him 100% leave for the problem becuase e could of changed things by now but you must realize that things where crap ass when he got in.
bumping this to bring up something i was thinking about:
shouldn't the fact that at the least hundreds of billions, and that the most trillions, of dollars worth of assets that people through existed and thought were worth anything, and then they realized they weren't, offset the inflationary response of printing a few billion dollars? isn't that basically like capital/assets/money vanishing from the economy to offset money being injected into it?
Does disappearing money strengthen a currency? I wouldn't have thought so.
What's basically happening is the federal reserve has turned the fire hose of money on full blast. Normally this is enough to blast the economy back up out of a recession but prices have been so inflated for so long all it's doing is slowing the collapse. Eventually assets like houses and even high yielding stocks are going to be worth practically nothing because the inflation will be minimizing any potential profit to be had from them. Basically instead of more money increasing the price of these things back to "normal" the inflation is so bad it's making investments like stocks and homes pretty much worthless.shouldn't the fact that at the least hundreds of billions, and that the most trillions, of dollars worth of assets that people through existed and thought were worth anything, and then they realized they weren't, offset the inflationary response of printing a few billion dollars? isn't that basically like capital/assets/money vanishing from the economy to offset money being injected into it?
Keep in mind of course while all this is going on people's wages are staying the same while food costs among other things have skyrocketed.
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What this thread needs is more boobies
and obama bashing, please explain why it's the black man's fault the economy is taking a dump
everyone knows colored folks dont know how to pay their bills on time, he probably forgot to pay the whitehouse electric bill and the late fees are sending us into a deficit.
thats all I have to say
Well, America started spending in the 1980's. Ragan cut the taxes, but Congress spent money faster. By the end of the 19080's we owed $3 Trillion and were spending $2 Trillion a year!
Also, Combining all the bailout, stimulus spending, and debt guarantees between the fall of 2008 and the summer of 2009, the US Government is in the tank for around $23 Trillion! (source: Eamon Javers, Politico.com- July 2009)
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You're absolutely right!
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