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    She's had almost 70 years to perfect that level of stupid. Every time she levels she seems to put all her points into ignorance.

    Anyway, Reaganomics. Discuss.

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    didnt work out very well

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    created the economic collapse that necessities the actions taken by the obama administration that are supposedly 'destroying the economy'

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    one of the best web pages on the internet
    http://www.prorev.com/reagan.htm

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    You mean, fixed the economic collapse that previous presidents facilitated?

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    pillars of reaganomics:
    deregulation
    union busting

    the deregulation, especially of the financial sector(more are responsible than reagan certainly, but the "reagan era" in general laid an enormous groundwork for the deregulation to be possible) caused backs to go crazy with leveraging. this was unsustainable, credit froze up, banks stopped lending, and the economic system collapsed.

    since unions had also been weakened during the times of deregulation, labor laws and union contracts got a lot, lot worse. this means that once businesses lost access to capital, they could lay people off, cut hours, cut pay, and cut benefits like crazy. now when people get back into the work force their benefits, pay, and security will be far worse than before because labor standards and contracts continue to get worse and worse.

    this is what reaganomics did. it was good for rich people though i guess.

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    I don't agree with everything Reagan did, he did a lot of fucked up shit, no one ever said otherwise. I am just stating that Reaganomics is a solid economic policy, and to say otherwise would be out of complete bias to the fact that Ronald Reagan's administration came up with it.

    I seriously doubt that Reagan sat down with a notepad one day while he was taking a shit and then said, "By Jove, I think I've got it!" ...And they called it Reaganomics!

    To think that the man himself actually had much to do with the writing of this plan would be very naive. Sort of like blaming Obama for this crisis we are in now would be equally naive, it isn't only him. Presidents are figure heads, the entire administration is to blame, as well as previous presidents, such as George Bush, that witless wonder.

    I'm not republican, and I'm not a democrat, I think both parties are full of shit and comprised of morons out to pad their own pockets while ignoring/forgetting about the little guy. They are nothing but a bunch of rich white men who want to get richer and be whiter.

    No matter your alignment, no matter your race, gender or creed... you have to admit that it's a solid economic plan. To say otherwise is just, well... WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Unions are an outdated concept going back to a time when workers were paid by the each instead of my the hour in cigarette factories and etc.

    Some guy walked in and said, "Hey I've got a great idea. You give me part of your money, I won't actually work, but I will get your boss to give you more money! Sound like a plan?" and people lined up to hand him money.

    This is still in practice today. My brother was the president of a union, and they paid him to do nothing but flap his lips.

    If only large businesses could be trusted to be moral and treat workers fairly, there would be no need for unions. Alas, that is not the case in the world today, more is the pity.

    Therefore, I think the government should very likely pass blanket laws dictating a minimum amount that people can be paid for services rendered... What shall we call this concept... Hmm... How about... Minimum Wage?

    A lot of big businesses are getting out of that mindset though. They pay fairly and treat workers fairly without the need for union. My first job was non-union and within one year I was promoted three times and went from making about $7 (I think?) to $12.50 hourly, and then to about $31k per year salary with full benefits and 2 weeks vacation. Man, I was stupid for quitting that job. Oh well, live and learn.

    But what I am saying here is, if only people treated other people like they were people then people wouldn't need to unionize.

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    no you dont have to admit that deregulation and union busting is a solid economic plan. because it leads to economic collapse and horrible employment conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keke Le Cat View Post
    Unions are an outdated concept going back to a time when workers were paid by the each instead of my the hour in cigarette factories and etc.

    Some guy walked in and said, "Hey I've got a great idea. You give me part of your money, I won't actually work, but I will get your boss to give you more money! Sound like a plan?" and people liked up to hand him money.

    This is still in practice today. My brother was the president of a union, and they paid him to do nothing but flap his lips.

    If only large businesses could be trusted to be moral and treat workers fairly, there would be no need for unions. Alas, that is not the case in the world today, more is the pity.

    Therefore, I think the government should very likely pass blanket laws dictating a minimum amount that people can be paid for services rendered... What shall we call this concept... Hmm... How about... Minimum Wage?

    A lot of big businesses are getting out of that mindset though. They pay fairly and treat workers fairly without the need for union. My first job was non-union and within one year I was promoted three times and went from making about $7 (I think?) to $12.50 hourly, and then to about $31k per year salary with full benefits and 2 weeks vacation. Man, I was stupid for quitting that job. Oh well, live and learn.

    But what I am saying here is, if only people treated other people like they were people then people wouldn't need to unionize.
    so what your saying is that if capitalism were abolished we wouldnt need labor unions. hm, i think i agree with you there.

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    Our communist "enemies" could not out spend use becuase of there already frail economy so they fell that was Regan's plan.

    As for Obama he is just trying to change some things for the long term.

    2 totally different things no matter how you view them.

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    This one guy was caught sleeping on duty with his headphones on and his head on a table. The boss walked in and woke him up and the guy had a crease on his forehead where it had been pressed into the table for so long... He didn't get fired because my brother said, "Was a doctor there to diagnose him as clinically asleep? No? Then how can you prove he was asleep? You have to have proof to fire someone."

    That's what unions do. They keep under-qualified lazy assholes in a job when hard working people LIKE YOU TIM are lining up at the unemployment office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God View Post
    so what your saying is that if capitalism were abolished we wouldnt need labor unions. hm, i think i agree with you there.
    pretty much

    that would be a eutopia indeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keke Le Cat View Post
    This one guy was caught sleeping on duty with his headphones on and his head on a table. The boss walked in and woke him up and the guy had a crease on his forehead where it had been pressed into the table for so long... He didn't get fired because my brother said, "Was a doctor there to diagnose him as clinically asleep? No? Then how can you prove he was asleep? You have to have proof to fire someone."

    That's what unions do. They keep under-qualified lazy assholes in a job when hard working people LIKE YOU TIM are lining up at the unemployment office.
    this one guy was getting paid literally starvation wages, when he was lucky enough to get any work, had no concept of medical benefits, and his family was starving all the time even though he worked long hours at physically debilitating labor in dangerous working conditions.

    and thats what happens without unions. hm, hard working people on the margins of subsistence vs. one guy out of a few thousand not getting fired even if he may have deserved it. i wonder which scenario is better.

    also what if this lazy guy happened to have children. sure, he might have been lazy, no concept of work, and never actually earned anything in his life. but wouldnt him getting fired, even if he deserve it, only jeopardize the future of his children, who have to rely on their parents for support, despite having no say or responsibility over how productive they are and therefore what type of support and potential to succeed in life they themselves have.

    ps your brother sounds pretty awesome. i'd love to work as a union rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God View Post
    also what if this lazy guy happened to have children. sure, he might have been lazy, no concept of work, and never actually earned anything in his life. but wouldnt him getting fired, even if he deserve it, only jeopardize the future of his children, who have to rely on their parents for support, despite having no say or responsibility over how productive they are and therefore what type of support and potential to succeed in life they themselves have.
    The guys children starve when he gets fired. The government takes them away and puts them in a home. 99% of the time lazy father= bad father

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    I suppose when this happened you might say my brother was cool, but since then his life has spiraled out of control. It is a tale full of whores, cocaine and diabetes gone wild.

    He left his wife, started running with a whore (literally, a whore) became addicted to cocaine, stopped taking his insulin and had several strokes due to the plastic plate in his head because of his unfortunate birth defect.

    He is partially paralyzed from the stroke and lost half a foot to diabetes.

    The lesson here: Don't do drugs, don't date whores, and if you are going to leave your wife don't go through a midlife crisis and ruin your life.

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    God seems to think that people are entitled to proper working conditions and livable wages simply because they have the bad taste to procreate and work hard at what are obviously go-nowhere jobs. Not everyone deserves to come out ahead.
    "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Time Enough For Love, by Robert Heinlein

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    A pair of useless retards managed to get the P in the right hole (the V, in case you didn't know,) so now I have to support their useless, retarded spawn? Hmm.

    I don't understanding how fucking and successfully procreating gives you merit, or somehow makes you worthy of employment over someone who actually does their work well.

    Having children does not justify your continued existence on my planet.

    Fucking: Everyone does it.

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    rc seems to think that people are entitled to an extravagant lifestyle just because they were born into a rich family and were handed everything in their lives

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    Quote Originally Posted by God View Post
    rc seems to think that people are entitled to an extravagant lifestyle just because they were born into a rich family and were handed everything in their lives
    If you made millions in your lifetime and wanted to give it all to your children when you passed on, it's your money so it's your choice. If you raised stupid kids then they'll squander it in their own time and it'll just reenter circulation. Personally though I'd just give them enough to be comfortable and donate the rest to a scientific field I was interested in. Maybe have myself cryogenically frozen too.
    "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Time Enough For Love, by Robert Heinlein

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    Selected Quotes from Ronald Reagan

    Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today’s world do not have.


    All great change in America begins at the dinner table.


    Coercion, after all, merely captures man. Freedom captivates him.

    Don’t be afraid to see what you see.


    Entrepreneurs and their small enterprises are responsible for almost all the economic growth in the United States.


    Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.


    Freedom is one of the deepest and noblest aspirations of the human spirit.


    How do you tell a communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.


    I call upon the scientific community in our country, those who gave us nuclear weapons, to turn their great talents now to the cause of mankind and world peace: to give us the means of rendering these nuclear weapons impotent and obsolete.


    I don’t believe in a government that protects us from ourselves.


    I have left orders to be awakened at any time in case of national emergency, even if I’m in a cabinet meeting.


    I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will always eventually triumph. And there’s purpose and worth to each and every life.


    If you’re afraid of the future, then get out of the way, stand aside. The people of this country are ready to move again.


    No arsenal … is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.

    People don’t start wars, governments do.


    Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are many rewards, if you disgrace yourself you can always write a book.


    Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.


    The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.


    The government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.


    The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’


    The ultimate determinant in the struggle now going on for the world will not be bombs and rockets but a test of wills and ideas-a trial of spiritual resolve: the values we hold, the beliefs we cherish and the ideals to which we are dedicated.


    There are no great limits to growth because there are no limits of human intelligence, imagination, and wonder.


    Thomas Jefferson once said, ‘We should never judge a president by his age, only by his works.’ And ever since he told me that, I stopped worrying.


    To sit back hoping that someday, someway, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last–but eat you he will.


    You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness. If we fail, at least let our children and our children’s children say of us we justified our brief moment here. We did all that could be done.


    History teaches that wars begin when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.


    You can tell a lot about a fellow’s character by his way of eating jellybeans.


    My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you I just signed legislation which outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes.
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    Was there a point to that or were you just quoting for the sake of quotes?

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    Cuz Ron's a Real American Hero!
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    Is that a feeble attempt at sarcastic humor?

    Someone must have told you to dislike Ronald Reagan on principle, because you wouldn't come up with it on your own.

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