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    cool PD's Offical Tier Thread

    Ok lets start out with the simple smogon tiers but with Salamance of course in OU instead of uber. Now if you feel that a pokemon should be moved then simply make a post about it explaining why you think it should be moved. If someone agrees with you and says they agree in another post then the pokemon shall be moved. If someone else fiercely disagrees then we simply have another voting thread about that specific pokemon. After a week who ever's side has the most votes wins.

    EX:
    Kirby: Dunsparce to OU.
    Pants: Yeah I agree with Kirby
    *Dunsparce moves to OU*
    Trat: what!? no way
    *we have a vote*
    If for OU wins: Dunsparce stayes in OU
    If against OU wins: Dunsparce moves back to NU

    Although if someone disagrees the notion is thrown out unless someone else agrees afterwards and then we vote again. Although in that case the pokemon must be voted for before not after it is moved.

    EX:
    Hicky: Mewtwo to UU!
    Trat: What!? No way.
    God: Yeah sure Hicky.
    *we have a vote*
    If for UU wins: Mewtwo moves to UU
    If against UU wins: Mewtwo stays in Ubers

    Although I should note those 2 examples are jokes. If you do something like that I will just thow it out. Kay .

    Its a bit confusing I admit. If someone can but it into better words then I would gladdy switch it out for your explaination.
    Uber

    Arceus
    Darkrai
    Deoxys
    Deoxys-A
    Deoxys-D
    Deoxys-S
    Dialga
    Garchomp
    Giratina
    Giratina-O
    Groudon
    Ho-Oh
    Kyogre
    Latias
    Latios
    Lugia
    Manaphy
    Mew
    Mewtwo
    Palkia
    Rayquaza
    Shaymin-S
    Wobbuffet
    Wynaut

    OU

    Aerodactyl
    Azelf
    Blissey
    Breloom
    Bronzong
    Celebi
    Dusknoir
    Electivire
    Empoleon
    Flygon
    Forretress
    Gengar
    Gliscor
    Gyarados
    Heatran
    Heracross
    Hippowdon
    Infernape
    Jirachi
    Jolteon
    Lucario
    Kingdra
    Machamp
    Magnezone
    Mamoswine
    Metagross
    Ninjask
    Roserade
    Rotom-C
    Rotom-F
    Rotom-H
    Rotom-S
    Rotom-W
    Salamance
    Scizor
    Skarmory
    Smeargle
    Snorlax
    Starmie
    Suicune
    Swampert
    Tentacruel
    Togekiss
    Tyranitar
    Umbreon
    Vaporeon
    Weavile
    Zapdos

    MU

    Abomasnow
    Cresselia
    Crobat
    Dragonite
    Froslass
    Gallade
    Honchkrow
    Porygon-Z
    Raikou
    Shaymin
    Staraptor
    Suicune
    Yanmega

    UU
    Absol
    Aggron
    Alakazam
    Altaria
    Ambipom
    Ampharos
    Arcanine
    Azumarill
    Blastoise
    Blaziken
    Chansey
    Claydol
    Clefable
    Cloyster
    Donphan
    Drapion
    Dugtrio
    Feraligatr
    Hariyama
    Hitmonlee
    Hitmontop
    Houndoom
    Kabutops
    Lanturn
    Leafeon
    Ludicolo
    Magmortar
    Mesprit
    Milotic
    Miltank
    Mismagius
    Moltres
    Nidoking
    Omastar
    Poliwrath
    Regirock
    Registeel
    Rhyperior
    Rotom
    Sceptile
    Scyther
    Slowbro
    Slowking
    Spiritomb
    Steelix
    Swellow
    Tangrowth
    Torterra
    Toxicroak
    Uxie
    Venusaur
    Weezing

    RU:
    Ampharos
    Armaldo
    Articuno
    Banette
    Bastiodon
    Bellossom
    Cacturne
    Camerupt
    Charizard
    Clamperl
    Cradily
    Crawdaunt
    Dewgong
    Dodrio
    Drifblim
    Dusclops
    Electabuzz
    Electrode
    Entei
    Espeon
    Exeggutor
    Exploud
    Flareon
    Floatzel
    Gardevoir
    Gastrodon
    Glaceon
    Glalie
    Golduck
    Golem
    Gorebyss
    Grumpig
    Huntail
    Hypno
    Jumpluff
    Jynx
    Kadabra
    Kangaskhan
    Kingler
    Lapras
    Lickilicky
    Linoone
    Lopunny
    Luxray
    Magmar
    Magneton
    Manectric
    Mantine
    Marowak
    Medicham
    Meganium
    Mr. Mime
    Muk
    Nidoqueen
    Ninetales
    Octillery
    Phione
    Pidgeot
    Pikachu
    Pinsir
    Politoed
    Porygon2
    Primeape
    Probopass
    Qwilfish
    Raichu
    Rampardos
    Rapidash
    Regice
    Regigigas
    Relicanth
    Rhydon
    Sandslash
    Sharpedo
    Shiftry
    Shuckle
    Skuntank
    Slaking
    Sneasel
    Stantler
    Swalot
    Tauros
    Torkoal
    Tropius
    Typhlosion
    Ursaring
    Venomoth
    Vespiquen
    Victreebel
    Vileplume
    Wailord
    Walrein
    Whiscash
    Xatu

    NU:
    Arbok
    Ariados
    Beautifly
    Beedrill
    Bibarel
    Butterfree
    Carnivine
    Castform
    Chatot
    Cherrim
    Chimecho
    Corsola
    Delcatty
    Delibird
    Ditto
    Dunsparce
    Dustox
    Farfetch'd
    Fearow
    Furret
    Girafarig
    Granbull
    Illumise
    Kecleon
    Kricketune
    Ledian
    Lunatone
    Lumineon
    Luvdisc
    Magcargo
    Masquerain
    Mawile
    Mightyena
    Minun
    Mothim
    Noctowl
    Pachirisu
    Parasect
    Pelipper
    Persian
    Plusle
    Purugly
    Quagsire
    Raticate
    Sableye
    Seaking
    Seviper
    Shedinja
    Solrock
    Spinda
    Sudowoodo
    Sunflora
    Trapinch
    Unown
    Vigoroth
    Volbeat
    Wigglytuff
    Wormadam
    Wormadam-G
    Wormadam-S
    Zangoose


    Moved:
    Kingdra -> BL --Pants, Celery
    Dragonite -> BL --Pants, Kirby
    Ampharos -> UU --Pants, Kirby
    Magmortar -> UU --Kirby, Pants
    Kingdra -> OU --Voting 2-1
    Suicune -> BL --Voting 2-2

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    Default Wynaut -> OU

    I mean come on seriosuly its entirely outclassed by wob. And its not like this freaky baby pokemon is going to break the metagame. Let it me OU people. Some one quickly say sure to this.

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    As usual, I have to say nay... or in Kirbx: NO!

    It's a weaker version of Wobbuffet., but still powerful.
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    ah poop well thats what this thread is for

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    Default Alakazam -> BL

    Yeah its outclassed by Azelf in everyway but thats what BL is for. Those stats and semi-ok movepool are in my opinion to good for UU.

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    ok, i rarely see vaporeon, but it is definitely fit for standard...

    i really dont think "Over Used" is a good explaination for pokemon that are useful in competitive battling... because pokemon in OU may not be used frequently, therefor they are UU. its really a bad system of rating.

    if anything, we should redefine the system rather than slightly relisting it.

    oh, and heres some that DEFINITELY arent OU: Dragonite, Empoleon, Suicune (i'll explain), and tentacruel

    not to say these are bad pokes, they just are outclassed by others, and are usually the ones tossed aside for their superior brethren.

    suicune is great, but since it has little to no healing options, its left in the dust behind vaporeon and umbreon. its just another good pokemon that's given less attention every new gen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pants,_and_the_beast_dwelling_within View Post
    ok, i rarely see vaporeon, but it is definitely fit for standard...

    i really dont think "Over Used" is a good explaination for pokemon that are useful in competitive battling... because pokemon in OU may not be used frequently, therefor they are UU. its really a bad system of rating.

    if anything, we should redefine the system rather than slightly relisting it.

    oh, and heres some that DEFINITELY arent OU: Dragonite, Empoleon, Suicune (i'll explain), and tentacruel

    not to say these are bad pokes, they just are outclassed by others, and are usually the ones tossed aside for their superior brethren.

    suicune is great, but since it has little to no healing options, its left in the dust behind vaporeon and umbreon. its just another good pokemon that's given less attention every new gen.
    I have to agree with making a new listing system.
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    asdfg this was my idea you whore.

    Um, dodrio moved to UU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celery View Post
    asdfg this was my idea you whore.
    ... well you don't have an avatar so you... don't really stand out too much. I mean, you're a really quiet person. And your voice doesn't carry well here on PD, and uhm... other people who are louder kinda out voice you... yeah!
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    Quote Originally Posted by leo33wii View Post
    ... well you don't have an avatar so you... don't really stand out too much. I mean, you're a really quiet person. And your voice doesn't carry well here on PD, and uhm... other people who are louder kinda out voice you... yeah!
    Why are you telling people whose voice stands out well? All you do is be a dick to the low tiers and demand respect for it and scream; "I AM A BISEXUAL GUYS, DID I MENTION THAT YET?!?!" Please girlfriend, go ask for attention somewhere else. *Snaps*

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    what?
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    Nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby View Post
    Yeah its outclassed by Azelf in everyway but thats what BL is for. Those stats and semi-ok movepool are in my opinion to good for UU.
    I'm indifferent on this, alakazam hasn't really been the most popular psychic recently... Yay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pants,_and_the_beast_dwelling_within View Post
    oh, and heres some that DEFINITELY arent OU: Dragonite, Empoleon, Suicune (i'll explain), and tentacruel.
    Nay, Yay, Nay, Yay.

    Oh, and if this is determined by popularity, I barely see kingdra used, BL/UU for it?

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    sad

    *hugs celery head*
    Sorry for the joke
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    God I'm too forgiving. *hugs*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celery View Post
    God I'm too forgiving. *hugs*
    hooray!!
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    i frequently see kingdra, so i would consider it OU

    its really based on personal experiences rather than usefulness

    like, if someone frequently battles someone who uses jumpluff, they would consider it OU, but others would consider it UU or NU because of its typing and actual usefulness rather than appearance.

    please create a new system of rating :O


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    Pants next time please for God's sake do ONE POKEMON AT A TIME.

    Now from what I got of this rambling is:
    -vaporeon
    -dragonite
    -tentacruel
    -Empoleon
    -suicune (you never explained)

    You want them BL. Everyone gave "indiferent opinions" so they all stay. Although I personally think Dragonite in BL so thats enough to move it there with 2 people although I disagree with the rest.

    Also you and celery agreed that Kingdra is BL aswell so that also will move. I happen to disagree with that so I shall make a voting thread for it soon.

    3 people want diferent tiers. Pants was mostly rambling about peoples opinions. And I honestly must say no body who has any brains considers Jumpluff more then UU. But I can get more teirs. There has been some complaint about some pokemon being outclassed even in OU? So lets make BL an actual tier and change its name to MU or moderately used. And drop pokemon from there. What about that make a MU tier?

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    Uhh pants wanted Kingdra back in OU. I would also want different tiers. I mean, if we're making a list we don't have to adopt smogons system of depending on rate of use.

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    kirb, it was an example. jumpluff is UU at best in any gen, and i was using it as an example to say that the idea of a system based on usage rather than usefulness is disorienting. If someone fights UU teams alot, they say its OU because they see it used alot, not whether or not the pokemon is useful.

    thats all im saying.

    oh

    and heres why suicune should be classified as UU:

    No healing strategy other than a rare occurrence of aqua ring on the crowned, and rest, which really leaves suicune vulnerable. Milotic is a much better wall/tank than suicune because of its ability to quickly heal, and hit harder, and take about the same amount of physical romps. Plus, i see milotic used more than suicune. same with vaporeon, and it is a boost/switch support.

    suicune is just not quite as useful against special attackers as those two.

    oh, and i noticed that you put milotic as UU, and its definitely carved into standard very well.


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    Kingdra? Above Dragonite? The only advantage it has above Dragonite is its base speed is above by Dragonites by 5. Everything else, even movepool is inferior.

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    Swellow could be MU it has that awesome STAB and Guts Facade and(as a bonus STAB guts)Brave Bird!And has roost.
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    Allowing a more free open kinda tiering system is not smogon like at all.

    Pants again I disagree unless someone jumps up and goes crazy over suicune in UU its not going to happen. Also personally I have been swept by the thing a few times so its definantly no push over.

    Again MU?


    No I find swellow to be fine in UU since most rock and steel types totally wall it.

    Also the lists are in alphabetical order -_-'

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    We have to have these somewhere else as well.
    And even with that low Sp.atack it can learn Heat wave(and U-Turn for rock)
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    If dragonite gets sent to moderate, kingdra does as well.

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    Since when is bug super effective to rock.

    Fine then.

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