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    Quite right. There's still the question of how can matter itself be created out of nothing though.
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    Kirbx, what we did to create life can always happen by accident. The history of the universe is choke-full of accidents.
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    Matter comes from energy and energy is eternal.

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    It was a pure accident the life was made through the precise combination or elements and counpounds in such a way that only scientists todays can replicate with hours of work and years of study?

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    I am still eagerly awaiting the fundamentalist church's response to this. Regardless of what stance they take you know it's going to be at the very least ludicrous.
    "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Time Enough For Love, by Robert Heinlein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby View Post
    It was a pure accident the life was made through the precise combination or elements and counpounds in such a way that only scientists todays can replicate with hours of work and years of study?
    Considering they've made primitive self replicating molecules naturally encased in phospholipids by simply taking a jar of gas that's composition mimics the early Earth's atmosphere and zapping it with electricity, yes.
    "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Time Enough For Love, by Robert Heinlein

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    Those are just amino acids. You need something special to go from complex compound to a living breathing creature.

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    Riddle me this, Kirbx: where did God come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby View Post
    Those are just amino acids. You need something special to go from complex compound to a living breathing creature.
    Ever heard of evolution? Mutations in the DNA after years and years of reproduction eventually lead to more complex organisms.

    @Ed: Hahaha, I love it when atheists play that card.
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    It's fun flipping improbability arguments back at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yojimbo View Post
    Ever heard of evolution? Mutations in the DNA after years and years of reproduction eventually lead to more complex organisms.

    @Ed: Hahaha, I love it when atheists play that card.
    Amino acids aren't alive thus don't "evolve over time."

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    Ed God is either an alien or a group of TIME COPS!

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    I am betting on time cops.

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    Some one simply got some blue balls and went back in time and jizzed in the water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby View Post
    Amino acids aren't alive thus don't "evolve over time."
    Does DNA evolve?

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    DNA isn't alive either so unless its in an ainmal it doesn't evolve aswell.

    It takes a lot more then "randomness" to turn really just a protein into DNA itself.

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    First things first, DNA makes proteins out of amino acids. Second things second, DNA isn't made from amino acids.

    DNA is a polymer, which is basically a long chain of small molecules, each of which are pretty simple and easily arise from natural atomic interactions given the correct environment. A similar process gives us natural rubber.

    The big things about DNA (and RNA) are their ability to copy themselves (which is just simple chemistry) and the formulation of proteins from amino acids (which is again just chemistry).

    You can bang on all you like about how amazing and magical DNA is, but the simple fact is it's a polymer. Polymers aren't rare. Monomers aren't rare. Carbon molecules aren't rare. Nothing about life is improbable when you sit back and take a look.

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    Especially when there's so much shit going on in the universe at random, it's only a matter of time until the miracle of life takes its course. How is it so hard to understand that life starts by a chemical reaction, and all material of life originates in the cosmos? It's as simple as that.
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    Thats bullshit.

    If I take a bunch of elements from that era as said that "can make amino acids" so what? The whole fucking ocean could be filled with them and nothing could of ever happened. And Ed DNA just doesn't pop up from nowhere what your saying is equilivant to a child throwing his buliding blocks in the air and having them land in a perfect castle it just doesn't happen.

    Ed in all honestly atheists would have a lot more people believing them if they said life came from astroids of dead worlds that seeded this planet which is a fuck lot more likely.

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    Comets, actually, and that's how life started on Earth, numbnuts. We were saying how the fundamental components, or ingredients of life originated in general.
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    And Ed DNA just doesn't pop up from nowhere what your saying is equilivant to a child throwing his buliding blocks in the air and having them land in a perfect castle it just doesn't happen.


    Maybe that will end this shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby View Post
    If I take a bunch of elements from that era as said that "can make amino acids" so what? The whole fucking ocean could be filled with them and nothing could of ever happened. And Ed DNA just doesn't pop up from nowhere what your saying is equilivant to a child throwing his buliding blocks in the air and having them land in a perfect castle it just doesn't happen.
    The whole ocean WAS full of them. Then DNA started putting them together into proteins which were tied together to make bacteria which started gathering more amino acids to make more proteins to make more cells which all joined forces to become little things which were slightly bigger than bacteria because they had more cells but still pretty small, and then they added more and more and more cells and cells in different areas became specialised to deal with specific tasks because on a large scale that's more efficient than having them all do everything, and then even more cells were added and blah blah blah and now we have idiots like you.

    You missed the whole bit about polymers, didn't you? Small, stable molecules form and stick together in chains. The chance of monomers forming is high, and once they form polymers invariably will due to basic chemistry. The DNA strand isn't a magic one time arrangement. It's just a random chain of nucleotides, which in themselves are just several small molecules that have formed bonds. Do you look at a bucket of oil and say "OMG it must've been created by God!"?

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    SCIENCE.

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