Patriots

[Pants]

lmao i accidentally thought you wrote NRA!!! LMAOOOO!

but yeah, the IRA is pretty much the same thing, except with the whole terrorist idealism an... no they are pretty much exactly the same.

[Keke Le Cat]

Also: Saying the English should just get out of Ireland is like saying the Palestinians should just leave Israel.

they should

ITT: Confusing patriotism with nationalism

pa·tri·ot·ism
–noun
devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty.

Nationalism
1.) national spirit or aspirations.
2.) devotion and loyalty to one's own nation; patriotism.
3.) excessive patriotism; chauvinism.



...you were saying?

[Solly]

Patriotism - Loyalty to one's country

Nationalism - Loyalty to one's nation

Patriots believe the Republic of Ireland is pretty nice. Nationalists believe that the Nation of Ireland deserves the whole island.

[Rayne]

i think the terms are pretty much interchangeable. i dont know where you got that distinction.

[Solly]

Canadian social studies curriculum.

[Keke Le Cat]

I think he must have pulled it out of his vagina, rayne

[Solly]

Also this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotism

It has had different meanings over time and its meaning is highly dependent upon context, geography, and philosophy. Excluding differences caused by these dependancies, Patriotism is a devotion to one's country. In a generalized sense that applies to all countries and peoples, patriotism is a devotion to one's country for no other reason than being a citizen of that country.

It is a related sentiment to nationalism, but nationalism is not necessarily an inherent part of patriotism

[Keke Le Cat]

Canadian social studies curriculum.

pro-british propoganda I am certain

[Solly]

In other words, most members of the IRA are Nationalists, as they don't fight for Northern Ireland because they're citizens but because of their cultural and ethnic descent.

[Rayne]

nationalism
noun
Their extreme nationalism was frightening.
Synonyms: patriotism, patriotic sentiment, flag-waving, xenophobia, chauvinism, jingoism.

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[Keke Le Cat]

The country of Ireland is divided, any true patriot would want it made whole again. So nationalist or patriot, either way, England needs to get out and let the Irish have Ireland.

[Solly]

We have conflicting sources

[Solly]

The country of Ireland is divided, any true patriot would want it made whole again. So nationalist or patriot, either way, England needs to get out and let the Irish have Ireland.

Any true patriot would support the government, which as far as I know is neutral on the Northern Ireland stance at the moment.

[Keke Le Cat]

The government has been infiltrated by the British supporters. Spineless twits who lick so much tea-drinker asshole as to be unable to speak or even think without first asking their British overlord's opinion.

Any true patriot would ignore their government officials and SEEK A UNITED IRELAND ONCE AND FOR ALL.

[Solly]

That's nationalism

[Rayne]

who cares

[leo33wii]

i'm in the us army serving my country. i'm pretty patriotic but totally agree with PK on this. the us was founded on secular ideals and many of our founding fathers were deist who's god were more like Spinoza or were atheist. considering how in england everyone had to be the kings religion at the time, it's no wonder that the us wanted to be secular.
it does surprise me that america has become the most christian nation while the people of england have a secular mindset.

[Solly]

Nobody really

[God]

i think the terms are pretty much interchangeable. i dont know where you got that distinction.

i would say nationalism tends to be more intellectual and patriotism is more chauvinistic. its a nuanced difference i guess.