Rain Stall Team That Needs Help

[Kirby]

Perhaps pants or Max might be able to help me out.

Jake (Politoed) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 196 HP / 252 SDef / 60 Spd
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Scald
- Perish Song
- Toxic
- Protect

A standard defensive politoed, it's just here to stay around and keep the rain up. Scald is very useful to burn things which normally would be a pain in the ass, perish song to phase, toxic to stall, and protect to give is durability and said in stalling. The evs make it specially defensive to take a few of those hits if Chansey is down. 60 speed outspeeds the standard heatran. Perish song has been of less use since I added Dragonite, but it still has it's uses, but what would I replace it with, icebeam? Occasionally I use this to go against Gliscor, it fairs well but I am thinking off tossing in a few defense evs to take those hits better.

Bubblegum (Chansey) (F) @ Eviolite
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 116 HP / 252 Def / 140 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Wish
- Protect
- Seismic Toss
- Toxic

My little bitch, mother fucking care takes hits from Landorus. Basically she has 2 jobs, take almost all special attackers and stall them out, and support my team with wish. Due to the more stally nature of my team, protect is more useful than softboiled. The evs make sure I always take 2 psycho-shocks from specs Latios, the rest is dumped into special defense.

Marceline (Dusclops) (F) @ Eviolite
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Night Shade
- Will-O-Wisp

Rapid spinners cry when they see her. He also performs as a physical wall for my team, which is why she has maximum defense. Willow-wisp over toxic because I have enough of that anyway, and again burns are very useful against steel types. I still have to test out pain split Dusclops over rest talk, I might do so since recently rest has disappointed me too often.

LSP (Forretress) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Gyro Ball

It spins and set up toxic spikes and stealth rocks all in one, plus it can act as an emergency physical wall, that is exactly why it is here.

Ice King (Dragonite) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Roost
- Dragon Tail
- Hurricane
- Thunder

Anything that can manage to slip through the fat ass of Chansey is quickly destroyed by Dragonite. It also picks off a few other weaknesses like Breloom.

Finn (Gliscor) (M) @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 208 Def / 56 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Protect
- Toxic
- Taunt

Its the top physical wall that solves most of my threats left for this team.

I don't know why, but this team isn't doing so hot. Politoed, Chansey, and Dragonite are pretty much fixed parts of the team, so don't mess with them unless you got something really revolutionary. I don't like Forretress here, but its my only way to get hazards up and spinning without using up many of my remaining stops. Dusclops isn't exactly the best choice, but I would REALLY like to keep it on this team, I would be willing to move around this team a lot in order to keep it on. It's just not working then whatever, I am willing to ditch it for something else if I have to, I was thinking Gyarados. Gliscor is the one I am willing to change the most, but it seems to do well right now.

Any small comments are also appreciated too.

[Pants]

vaporeon>chansey

[Kirby]

Vaporeon won't help me with special attackers.

[Pants]

uhhh it has that whole 95 sp. def and 130 hp base. you can play it as a sp. wall/phaze

[Kirby]

Dragonite does that better.

Plus Chansey + Dusclops is kinda the point of this team so they don't get sandstorm damage.

[Pants]

dragonite has those ice/rock issues. and its a better dtail roost phaze.

steath rock and wiill o wisp pretty much ruins it (yes i know its top OU)

vapo gets phaze with instant recovery. its not a bad choice

[Kirby]

Hey dude is it just me, or is smogon not working?

[Pants]

idk, havent been on in a little while

[Max21]

No, adding vaporeon will make you rotom-w weak. If you decide to use vappy then you need to add another check for rotom like latias cause chansey gets tricked.

This team is dreadfully weak to volt turn which is rather common for rain stalls. In all honesty, I have found rain stalls effectiveness to be going down which is why you don't see it on the ladder as much anymore. Rain stall will always have those pokemon that will always bother it.

Rain stall has pretty much reached it's prime when M Dragon from Smogon posted his art of rain stall rmt. Even though his team is really good, it had it's flaws that couldn't be patched without adding more holes. I've tried many variations of rain stall and I promise you that it is 'pick what you want to be weak too' cause there is no flawless rain stall.

[Kirby]

Rotom-w is an annoying prick, but usually most don't trick. The key to taking it down usually is to toxic it on a switch and or set up stealth rocks. I would like to add in a Celebi/Roserade to this team, probably over Dusclops. Unfortunately when I do that its almost impossible to patch up my remaining weaknesses, have a rapid spinner, and have stealth rocks on this team, which is critical. If anyone could think of a way to do that in 2 pokemon, that would be appreciated.

[Kirby]

Im thinking maybe Skarmory/Hitmontop/Roserade or Skarmory/Forretress/Celebi. The first one looks more stable, but it would require me to run rocks on Skarmory.

[Max21]

Try Tentacruel, Chansey, Politoed, Dragonite, Ferrothorn, and Gliscor.

Stealth Rock on Chansey, Standard Rain Dish Tentacruel, Standard Ferrothorn, Standard Poison Heal Gliscor, same Politoed, same Dragonite.

Or you can run both SR and Spikes on Ferrothorn. The only thing that can give this rain stall build trouble now is probably Haxorus and to an extent, Rotom-W. Which sucks but it's the same case for every rain stall, you can't have everything.

Spinblockers are shit this generation so Dusclops probably should go.

[Pants]

BU toxicroak> gliscor in rain.

[Max21]

Yeah maybe BU Toxicroak can work now since Gliscor was really added to rain stalls to deal with both Terrakion and Excadrill. Now that Excadrill is banned from OU, Toxicroak can work to an extent.

[Max21]

Just remember that Haxorus is a big asshole to rain stalls especially if you aren't running Skarmory cause Ferrothorn can only take so many hits without instant recovery.

[Max21]

OH, AND I FUCKING LOVE THE NICKNAMES ON YOUR POKEMON. IT'S ADVENTURE TIME!

[Pants]

toxicroak adds 4 things to this team:

1. 1/8th healer with prevention of poisoning and water immunity
2. bulky physical attacker with ferrothorn coverage
3. a 2nd toxic spike remover.
4. direct cloyster counter


gliscor has only 2 advantages:

1. 1/8th healer with status immunity
2. somewhat powerful physical wall

2 big issues though

1. in rain, x4 weakness to ice and water
2. walled by ferrothorn




croak's more valuable

[Max21]

oh and it also walls Terrakion's STAB moves. and kids, we all know how much of an asshole Terrakion is

[Pants]

i use conk to wall terrakion. he baits burns like a pro

[Pants]

oh and it also walls Terrakion's STAB moves. and kids, we all know how much of an asshole Terrakion is

so does toxicroak lol

[Max21]

i WAS talking about toxicroak. >.<

[Pants]

thought you meant gliscor but okay. so do you agree toxicroak over gliscor?

[Kirby]

Gliscor is not walled by ferrothorn at all, I can recount many a times my Gliscor has beaten down ferrothorns.

Max have tried Tentacruel on this team before, its ok but I don't know it always felt kinda useless. The same deal with ferrothorn since it gets destroyed by willow-wisp, which is rather disappointing.

[Pants]

leech seed on ferrothorn, no toxic, acrobatics/EQ does les than 30%, and thorns hurt gliscor.

not to mention gyro ball/power whip does a crapload of dmg and leech seed does the rest.

[Pants]

oh, and sableye>dusclops any day kirb.