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    Default The Supreme Court Health Care Trial makes me laugh.

    The mandate will prob. be struck down. Yays!

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    I don't understand why people don't like obamacare

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    I mean, I can understand why congressmen getting handjobs from various insurance companies would vote against it, but what's with the middle class getting their knickers in a knot about it?

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    Because A. It won't work just like in Canada, Cuba and Britain and B. The federal government forces you to purchase a product which is just silly.

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    The NHS works completely fine. Long waiting lists and lack sometimes of patient-centered care, also massive administrative costs... but it works, people get treated and rich people can pay for better insurance. It's not as good as in the rest of Europe. Cuba is a pretty silly country to pick, considering the sheer number of countries who have effective "government mandated" healthcare systems.

    Maybe it won't work in the U.S., and forcing Americans to buy health insurance is probably a bad idea, but meanwhile we'll be sitting here in the U.K. not getting AIDS and not having third world health insurance

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    If insurance wasn't so expensive, then there would be less gripe about it, but as its stands medicine is a for-profit business, and just like any other company hospitals will raise the prices of their products which thus increases the price of insurance.

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    George Washington made a mandate forcing all citizens to buy fire arms.

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    "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."

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    conservatives are stupid, anyone who has ever voted republican in their lives literally should never be allowed to vote again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solly View Post
    I mean, I can understand why congressmen getting handjobs from various insurance companies would vote against it, but what's with the middle class getting their knickers in a knot about it?
    americas middle class is possibly the stupidest group of people in the entire world so theres that to take into account. also its not really that good, its not actual government/single payer/guaranteed healthcare so its still stupid.

    dogar wait what are you talking about be like canada's britians etc. not even including the fact their system is empirically better than ours(better results for less money is a fact) the insurance mandate has nothing to do with it. it is not changing the system of healthcare delivery or administration it's just making people buy insurance.

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    which IS actually a dumb idea dont get me wrong, obamacare is awful.

    know how you can be positive the individual mandate is bad? because originally it was the conservatives idea.

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    Im ok with the government forcing us to buy things.

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    im not ok with the government forcing people to buy things at profit-sustaining prices from a private company

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    People waiting years for hip replacements sure seems like a system I want to mimic God.



    And Hicky I use Cuba because MANY liberal crack heads use Cuba as a talking point. One of them being Michael Moore.

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    people in the US wait forever/just dont get hip replacements because they cant afford them

    there is anecdotal evidence both ways so stick to the facts please, those facts being britain JUST FOR EXAMPLE spends less on healthcare, has a healthier population and wider access to healthcare

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    We have better cancer treatments and less fatalities because of it. Why? Because competition and capitalism, not socialism, gives incentives for more advancements in medicine.

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    Yes, we have better medicine than most.

    Consequently, this makes for higher prices. A business's a business.

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    That's the theory behind why some experts believe we aren't curing as many diseases as we used to. Doctors just give everyone antibiotics because they make money that way.

    Back when the vaccines for polio and TB were created, there was more incentive to cure people, not make money.

    This is why I support Doctors Without Borders. They cure people for the sake of curing, not for the money.

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    I'm pretty sure Cuba has quite the track record of biotech advancements, especially considering their semi-isolationism

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    I think a much more reasonable first step would be to cut down the ridiculous amounts of regulations on insurance companies that practically give the big companies a monopoly in their region of operation
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    most of the substantial medical advancements come from US universities. where most of the scientific advancements come from, not because of capitalism, but because US universities attract the best researchers in the world because US universities get enormous research funding from the federal government.

    not to say private business has NO impact on medical advancement but a lot of it is in dumb consumer drugs like viagara

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    If I'm being perfectly honest I don't give two shits what the government spends its money on as long as its operating at a reasonable deficit and taxes are reasonable. Neither of which are true right now.
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    taxes are too low on rich people

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    Yeah I'd agree with that. The tax code is really fucked up. A simple flat tax would expedite things so much more and the government would see a shit-ton more revenue.
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    a flat tax is one of the worst ideas in the entire world. the government needs to be funded, if the rich were taxed at the same level as the most the poor could reasonably afford to be taxed then revenue would drop tremendously. also morally the rich SHOULD have more responsibility to pay into society than the poor.

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