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    Default Gen 5 Threat List

    Currently a work in progress.

    Note that I did merge a lot of threats because from a defending perspective, they are about equally as dangerous. For example bulky and offensive dragon dance sets on Gyarados when you play against them, you do the same thing. Were as the substitute dragon dance set causes issues for offensive teams trying to check.


    Abomasnow
    Grass / Ice
    Snow Warning / Sound Proof
    90 / 92 / 75 / 92 / 85 / 60

    Abomasnow is of course the main hail weather pokemon, because its the only one, and ibecause of its mediocre stats and weakness to stealth rock, you don't see hail as much. Abomasnow brings mainly hail to the table for hail stall and blizzard spam, never the less you should be prepared for the monster Christmas tree.

    Leech Seed

    Easily the most common set, it rounds up Abomasnow support role quite nicely with leech seed support. The leech seed set rarely has anything actually threatening on it, so your best bet is to switch to a grass type, or something with a recovery move. Grass / ice isn't the most amazing coverage either, something like Heatran can take a leech seed or two and scare it out. Beating it is also made easier as they rarely have blizzard instead opting for ice shard which is hilariously weak.

    Choice

    The choice scarf version is more common, its a solid check to a ton of threats, like before though, its still rather weak and with poor coverage, also because it lacks leftovers and leech seed, its also really weak to hazards. It should rarely be a problem, just be aware that it does exist before you try to sweep over a scarf Abomasnow.

    Mixed

    This set can be a bit much for defensive cores to handle as it carries HP fire and blizzard and even earthquake to plow through standard counters. However it again is very weak to hazards and is easier checked by anything with respectable speed.


    Alakazam
    Psychic
    Synchronize / Inner Focus / Magic Guard
    55 / 50 / 45 / 135 / 85 / 120

    Alakazam might look odd to OU, since it dropped to UU last gen, but it got a big bluff with magic guard which makes it immune to hazards, status, and life orb recoil, making it impossible to stall out and a very effective sweeper. Note that Alakazam is very, very frail, and any switch in should be done with caution. The only other set you should be away of here is focus sash Alakazam which makes a very effective check to a ton of things because it can not be killed in one hit ever.

    Life Orb Attacker

    The standard special Alakazam sweeper, very powerful no doubt. It does have its counters though, such as Jirachi, Blissey, and Chansey, it can also be checked by Scizor. Tyranitar can also work if you get lucky with the focus blast miss. One should be aware the substitute is very common on alakazam, so if your on an offensive team, its not suggested that you switch out as its just going ti sub up then kill a pokemon or two.

    Calm Mind

    The calm mind sweeper is a bit more dangerous because after a boost or two, it can pretty much 1HKO everything in the tier outside of the regular counters, which still counter it. It also makes it a bit more difficult to check it because of the special defense boost, meaning bulky waters can no only take a hit and kill it in return like the life orb set. The main issue with this set though, is its frailty, hitting it once before it gets its boosts pretty much leaves you with a dead alakazam.


    Amoonguss
    Poison / Grass
    Effect Spore / Regenerator
    114 / 85 / 70 / 85 / 80 / 30

    Amoonguss, got spore, 100% sleep pretty much means a dead pokemon in this metagame, spore alone gives it instant utility. On top of that Amoonguss is also able to combat many of the new threats of the black and white metagame including Keldeo and Breloom. It also gets regenerator which allows it to regain heal just by switching, making it an excellent pivot.

    Specially Defensive

    The main Amoonguss set, allowing it to combat Keldeo well enough, Amoonguss has a pretty respectable defense stat as well so it can easily combat Breloom. Amoonguss is very weak to hurricane abuse and can't take on the strongest physical hits. Also its poor special attack means pretty much anything not weak to gigadrain or HP ice can come in after it spores something.


    Blissey
    Normal
    Natural Cure / Serene Grace / Healer
    255 / 10 / 10 / 75 / 135 / 55

    Blissey is still the premier special wall of OU, don't you doubt that. It does face some fierce competition though with Chansey who because of eviolite which takes both special and physical hits better. Blissey does still have more survivability vs sandstorm because of leftovers and useable special attack.

    Special Wall + Utility

    The main set your going to see, it takes special attacks as well as ever. Chansey will almost always carry toxic and seismic toss to beat the special threats it needs to. The kind of utility is brings to the table is usually via wish, aromatherapy, or stealth rock. Blissey is about as much of set up fodder as you can get though, something like Conkeldurr can come in no problem and bulk up all it wants, lum berry dragons also have no issue coming in. Blissey is even fodder for defensive pokemon, Skarmory and Ferrothorn can come in on seismic toss all day and set up. Mixed attackers like Hydregion and Tornadus with superpower and also beat it, as well as many calm minders like Reuniclus and Jirachi.


    Breloom
    Fighting / Grass
    Effect Spore / Poison Heal / Technician
    60 / 130 / 80 / 60 / 60 / 70

    Breloom is our second toxic mushroom of the tier, and like Amoonguss it also learns the deadly spore. Unlike amoongus though Breloom is much more offensive with its amazing 130 attack stat. Breloom also gets poison heal to stick around or technician to destroy things with bullet seed. Breloom is a very dangerous and common pokemon in the meta, be sure to prepare for it.

    Choice Band

    Choice band breloom is especially dangerous because of technician. For example, one can use low sweep, to seriously damage anything that switches in, not only that but that switch in loses it's speed, allowing you to effectively 2HKO even resists like Tornadus, Thundurus-T, and Lati@s. Bullet seed in amazingly strong with Breloom, giving you a good chance to 1HKO even Gliscor. Choice band does have its counters though, Skarmory and Amoonguss can effectively wall it out, and with the right prediction, so can most walls if they come in on the right move.

    Swords Dance

    Sub-Punch


    Celebi
    Grass / Psychic
    Natural Cure
    100/ 100 / 100 / 100 / 100 / 100

    Tinkerbell

    Specially Defensive

    Nasty Plot


    Chansey
    Normal
    Natural Cure / Serene Grace / Healer
    250 / 5 / 5 / 35 / 105 / 50

    Special Wall + Utility


    Cloyster
    Water / Ice
    Shell Armor / Skill Link / Overcoat
    50 / 95 / 180 / 85 / 45 / 70

    Shell Smash


    Conkeldurr
    Fighting
    Guts / Sheer Force / Iron Fist
    105 / 140 / 95 / 55 / 65 / 45

    Bulk Up


    Deoxys-D
    Psychic
    Pressure
    50 / 70 / 160 / 70 / 160 / 90

    Hazard Setter


    Ditto
    Normal
    Limber / Imposter
    48 / 48 / 48 / 48 / 48 / 48

    Choice Scarf


    Donphan
    Ground
    Sturdy / Sand Viel
    90 / 120 / 120 / 60 / 60 / 50

    Bulky Rapid Spinner

    Offensive Rapid Spinner


    Dragonite
    Dragon / Flying
    Inner Focus / Multiscale
    91 / 134 / 95 / 100 / 100 / 80

    Dragon Dance

    Choice Band

    Rain Specially Defensive


    Dugtrio
    Ground
    Sand Veil / Area Trap / Sand Force
    35 / 80 / 50 / 50 / 70 / 120

    Reversal

    Choice Band


    Espeon
    Psychic
    Synchronize / Magic Bounce
    65 / 65 / 60 / 135 / 90 / 110

    Baton Pass

    Screens


    Ferrothorn
    Grass / Steel
    Iron Barbs
    74 / 94 / 131 / 54 / 116 / 20

    Wall + Utility


    Forretress
    Bug / Steel
    Sturdy / Overcoat
    75 / 90 / 140 / 60 / 60 / 40

    Rapid Spinner


    Gastrodon
    Water / Ground
    Sticky Hold / Storm Drain / Sand Force
    111 / 83 / 68 / 92 / 82 / 39

    Specially Defensive


    Gengar
    Ghost / Poison
    Levitate
    60 / 65 / 60 / 130 / 75 / 110

    Substitute + Disable


    Gliscor
    Ground / Flying
    Hyper Cutter / Sand Veil / Poison Heal
    75 / 95 / 125 / 45 / 75 / 95

    Physically Defensive

    Acrobat

    Toxic Stall


    Gyarados
    Water / Flying
    Intimidate / Moxie
    95 / 125 / 79 / 60 / 100 / 81

    Dragon Dance

    Substitute + Dragon Dance

    Rest-talk


    Haxorus
    Dragon
    Rivalry / Mold Breaker / Unnerve
    76 / 147 / 90 / 60 / 70 / 97

    Choice Band

    Dragon Dance

    Swords Dance


    Heatran
    Fire / Steel
    Flash Fire / Flame Body
    91 / 90 / 106 / 130 / 106 / 77

    Specially Defensive

    Offensive


    Hippowdon
    Ground
    Sand Stream / Sand Force
    108 / 112 / 118 / 68 / 72 / 47

    Physically Defensive + Utility


    Hydreigon
    Dragon / Dark
    Levitate
    92 / 105 / 90 / 125 / 90 / 98

    Special Attacker

    Substitute-Special Attacker

    Mixed Attacker


    Infernape
    Fire / Fighting
    Blaze / Iron Fist
    76 / 104 / 71 / 104 / 108

    Mixed Attacker


    Jellicent
    Water / Ghost
    Water Absorb / Cursed Body / Damp
    100 / 60 / 70 / 85 / 105 / 60

    Spin Blocker + Stall Breaker


    Jirachi
    Psychic
    Serene Grace
    100 / 100 / 100 / 100 / 100 / 100

    Specially Defensive

    Calm Mind


    Jolteon
    Electric
    Volt Absorb / Quick Feet
    65 / 65 / 60 / 110 / 95 / 130

    Special Attacker


    Keldeo
    Water / Fighting
    Justified
    91 / 72 / 90 / 129 / 90 / 108

    Calm Mind

    Choice Specs

    Sub-Calm Mind


    Landorus
    Ground / Flying
    Sand Force / Sheer Force
    89 / 125 / 90 / 115 / 80 / 101

    Physical Attacker

    Choice Scarf


    Landorus-T
    Ground / Flying
    Intimidate
    89 / 145 / 90 / 105 / 80 / 91

    Defensive

    Offensive


    Latias
    Dragon / Psychic
    Levitate
    80 / 80 / 90 / 110 / 130 / 110

    Calm Mind


    Latios
    Dragon / Psychic
    Levitate
    80 / 90 / 80 / 130 / 110 / 110

    Choice Specs

    Special Attacker


    Lucario
    Fighting / Steel
    Steadfast / Inner Focus / Justified
    70 / 110 / 70 / 115 / 70 / 90

    Swords Dance


    Magnezone
    Electric / Steel
    Magnet Pull / Sturdy / Analytic
    70 / 70 / 115 / 130 / 90 / 60

    Substitute Steel Trapper

    Choice Scarf


    Mamoswine
    Ice / Ground
    Oblivious / Snow Cloak / Thick Fat
    110 / 130 / 80 / 70 / 60 / 80

    Physical Attacker


    Metagross
    Steel / Psychic
    Clear Body / Light Metal
    80 / 135 / 130 / 95 / 90 / 70

    Tank

    Agility


    Mew
    Psychic
    Synchronize
    100 / 100 / 100 / 100 / 100 / 100

    Stall Breaker


    Mienshao
    Fighting
    Inner Focus / Regenerator / Reckless
    65 / 125 / 60 / 95 / 60 / 105

    Choice Scarf

    Physical Attacker


    Ninetales
    Fire
    Flash Fire / Drought
    73 / 76 / 75 / 81 / 100 / 100

    Offensive

    Specially Defensive


    Politoed
    Water
    Water Absorb / Damp / Drizzle
    90 / 75 / 75 / 90 / 100 / 70

    Defensive

    Choice Scarf

    Choice Specs


    Reuniclus
    Psychic
    Overcoat / Magic Guard / Regenerator
    110 / 65 / 75 / 125 / 85 / 30

    Calm Mind

    Trick Room


    Rotom-W
    Water / Electric
    Levitate
    70 / 65 / 107 / 105 / 107 / 86

    Choiced Attacker

    Not Choiced Attacker


    Salamence
    Dragon Flying
    Intimidate / Moxie
    95 / 135 / 80 / 110 / 80 / 100

    Dragon Dance

    Choice Scarf

    Mixmence


    Scizor
    Bug / Steel
    Swarm / Technician / Light Metal
    70 / 130 / 100 / 55 / 80 / 65

    Choice Band

    Swords Dance


    Scrafty
    Fighting / Dark
    Shed Skin / Moxie / Intimitate
    65 / 90 / 115 / 45 / 115 / 58

    Dragon Dance

    Bulk Up


    Skarmory
    Steel / Flying
    Keen Eye / Sturdy / Weak Armor
    65 / 80 / 140 / 40 / 70 / 70

    Physical Wall + Utility


    Slowbro
    Water / Psychic
    Oblivious / Own Tempo / Regenerator
    95 / 75 / 110 / 100 / 80 / 30

    Tank


    Starmie
    Water Psychic
    Natural Cure / Illuminate / Analytic

    Offensive

    Defensive Rapid Spinner


    Tentacruel
    Water / Poison
    Clear Body / Liquid Ooze / Rain Rish
    80 / 70 / 65 / 80 / 120 / 100

    Toxic Spikes Spinner

    Sub-toxic Spinner


    Terrakion
    Fighting / Rock
    Justified
    91 / 129 / 90 / 72 / 90 / 108

    Swords Dance

    Choice Band

    Choice Scarf


    Thundurus-T
    Electric / Flying
    Volt Absorb
    79 / 105 / 70 / 145 / 80 / 101

    Special Attacker

    Choice Scarf

    Nasty Plot


    Tornadus
    Flying
    Prankster / Defiant
    79 / 115 / 70 / 125 / 80 / 111

    Special Attacker

    Bulk Up


    Tornadus-T
    Flying
    Regenerator
    79 / 100 / 80 / 110 / 90 / 121

    Special Attacker

    Bulk Up


    Toxicroak
    Fighting / Poison
    83 / 106 / 65 / 86 / 65 / 85

    Bulk Up

    Sub Punch


    Tyranitar
    Rock / Darm
    Sand Stream / Unnerve
    100 / 134 / 110 / 95 / 100 / 61

    Mixed Special Wall Utility

    Specially Defensive

    Choice Scarf


    Vaporeon
    Water
    Water Absorb / Hydration
    130 / 65 / 60 / 110 / 95 / 65

    Wish Wall

    Hydration Wall


    Venusaur
    Grass / Poison
    Overgrow / Chlorophyll
    80 / 82 / 83 / 100 / 100 / 80

    Growth Sweeper


    Virizion
    Grass / Fighting
    Justified
    91 / 90 / 72 / 90 / 129 / 108

    Calm Mind

    Swords Dance


    Volcarona
    Bug / Fire
    Flame Body / Swarm
    85 / 60 / 65 / 135 / 105 / 100

    Quiver Dance Sweeper
    Last edited by Kirby; 05-01-2013 at 04:10 PM.

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    I'm going to hold off finishing this until ive played in the new meloetta metagame.

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    Ok I have started to get back into the metagame after Genesect got the hammer, so I may finish this and update it

    anyone else still around though?

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