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    Default Being 'Egotistical' In The Western World

    Sometimes I feel that we've been indoctrinated into a society which fosters hostility - or even fear - towards creativity; self-belief; intellectualism. [The latter of which is most obvious, just look around PD and you'll find the underachieving self-described geniuses who say they're too lazy to maximise their potential. (Something you're supposed to grow out of after age thirteen, when you were using your own perceived superior intelligence as an excuse for your inferior social awkwardness, but I digress.)] I think the Western World has been enforcing an ideology in the postindustrial age that in order to be successful, one must be a conservative dreamer. Obviously this has its truism merits. Getting a degree in Engineering is obviously more stable than studying Art History. Fair enough. But if someone is convicted enough in their self-belief and thinks they can be successful at their chosen field of pursuit, then he or she should be able to at least find out if the world values his own output as much as he or she does. I feel like when people go down this route, they are often met with criticism, cynicism, skepticism, little of which has to do with commonsenseonomics and more to do with the insecurity complexes of the naysayers.

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    your out of your gourd if you think this, the educational system goes above and beyond to foster that crap, in the past pretty much only the very very well off could manage to entertain such nonsense like poetry, let alone master it

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    > argues with what I said
    > calls poetry 'nonsense'

    You're not even trying.

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    Proscribing to traditional roles in any society will assure you security within it. Not exactly a western-exclusive thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord View Post
    > argues with what I said
    > calls poetry 'nonsense'

    You're not even trying.
    a poem will never feed a child
    a poem will never build a bridge
    a poem won't do shit

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    Not that I would ever defend Altmaster, but your argument is flawed Kirbx. A poem might not directly do any of those things but it could indirectly do all of them. People pay for poetry. Ergo a poem could be used to feed a child. Poetry, prose, all literature can be used to inspire people and promote social change. A poem that makes a person reconsider their opinions on race or religion could figuratively build bridges.

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    Lords argument is flawed too however. First as Solly helpfully pointed out, going more traditional work routes is not limited to a Western view. And popular culture contradicts your statement entirely. Rappers are treated as virtual gods and they're poets. Creativity isn't frowned upon on general at all. It's more a sense of the fact that not everyone can be creative. If all the world were poets and philosophers then we'd starve. The large bulk of soviet has to be driven for providing the important components of survival. There's also the undeniable fact that some people no matter how dedicated to intellectualism and creativity are just not good at it. Sure with practice a person can become more technically skilled but creating true masterpieces or brilliant new philosophical and political thought is at least partially inborn or in some cases created by environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby View Post
    a poem will never feed a child
    a poem will never build a bridge
    a poem won't do shit
    Someone please demod him so I can put her on my ignore list.

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    hate speech
    "I'll go," said Chagataev. "But what will I do there? Build socialism?"
    "What else?" said the secretary.

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    Yeah lord you shouldn't lash out a minority just because you don't agree with their lifestyle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord View Post
    Someone please demod him so I can put her on my ignore list.
    once I am demodded, Lord will see me as a woman

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    That's as may be, Madame, but ignore lists are for pussies.

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    But seriously Lord, what are you trying to say here? Do you think before capitalism everybody was a creative thinker and poetry was objectively better? That people in Borneo are all much more musically inclined? I would argue that the western emphasis on individualism spurns the creation of popular culture like never before.

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    +1

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    proscribe
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    amusingly solly's mistakenly used two words that are not only wrong but mean the OPPOSITE of the word he intended to use.
    "I'll go," said Chagataev. "But what will I do there? Build socialism?"
    "What else?" said the secretary.

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    I'm sure he meant spur rather than spurn

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    sounding smart is hard when you're on your phone

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    idgaf though kirby that was a fucking dope poem and ill burn lord probably cried when he saw it

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    I view arts as more of a necessary waste. I mean I realize some people are just really good at art and poetry stuff and that's what their brain is wired for, I think its nonsense, but if one doesn't support these people they end up in the gutter or at the end of a noose, and no one likes to see that. We kinda are forced to live with this appendice of our productivity in order to not seem like evil scumbags.

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    .... Kirbx you trolling?

    You can't seriously believe that the arts have no function in the world! Lords initial post was complete bullshit of course but it's bs is equalled to this opinion.

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    I wouldn't say no use, I mean they can be used to display useful concepts (infographics) and make analogies of more complex things to simply them.

    perhaps I was being a bit too harsh

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    I'm kinda in my hormonal peak right now also so I'm kinda being a bitch to everyone :I

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    You're not being a bitch Kirby, you're just a complete fucking idiot.

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    As for my original post, good grief was I sleep deprived when I wrote it. The point I was trying to make isn't actually found anywhere in there.

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    I'll be the first to admit that I don't really get the arts, its just not my personality, so perhaps I have an inherent bias which I was projecting with arrogance and ignorance.

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