Yes God, I love sarcasm too, but this is hardly the place to use it.
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ShadowRaven
Yes God, I love sarcasm too, but this is hardly the place to use it.
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ShadowRaven
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein
where was the sarcasm. whenever mao and stalin are brought up i feel it prudent to point out the many areas where they excelled at heads of state, so as not to perpetuate the rampant tendency to hold lef wing leaders to higher standards than right wing leaders.
I thought the whole point of communism was to create a class-less, property-less state where higher standards are given to no-one?
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"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein
after a dictatorship of the proletariat, if we want to be marxist about it
Well, that's pretty hypocritical, isn't it?
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ShadowRaven
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein
Those atrocities were committed in the name of a "Communist ideology that was explicitly atheistic," not atheism itself. And I would love to hear how atheism inspires murder. Atheists do understand morality. Question: Where does morality come from?
Answer: Society.
Atheism is by definition no belief in God. Therevada Buddhists are atheists.
In my opinion, religion was originally invented to cure curiosity, then later to create morality our of fear, and soon after obedience out of fear for one's soul. If anything, Communism was basically the first form of control placed without the threat of eternity in hell. It was also built on a much larger basis of STANDARDS (not morals) which are considerate of other people's equality, something that religion has failed to do. Stating that Communism is an example of the worst parts of Atheism is not only incorrect, it is also a contradiction, simply because the basic standards of Communism are both stabel and equal.
Originally Posted by kyne
In which case, the many atrocities of the past many forum-goers are hinting at in this thread were not caused by Christianity, but comitted in the name of Christianity. Is that not the same as being caused by Christianity?Those atrocities were committed in the name of a "Communist ideology that was explicitly atheistic," not atheism itself.
And I would love to hear how atheism inspires murder.Actually, murder can be done in the name of anything, including religion. But since you asked...Atheists are sometimes criticized for a perceived unnecessarily harsh, or even prejudicial, way some of them deal with people holding theistic world views. WIKIPEDIA
Therefore, society as a whole understands morality, regardless of personal beliefs, does it not?Atheists do understand morality. Question: Where does morality come from?
Answer: Society.
Didn't I just say...oh, w/e.Atheism is by definition no belief in God. Therevada Buddhists are atheists.
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"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein
If i killed someone and said that it was in your honor, but you didn't want that person dead, would you say you should be killed?
Again, simply doing something in the name of something doesn't make it responsible.
Saying "society as a whole" is like saying "All atoms as a whole", not much can be applied to the whole.
regarding shadowraven's last post
Some atheists (e.g. Richard Dawkins) are indeed intolerant of religion. Dawkins' reason is that he believes religion to be dangerous.
The Crusades were caused directly by Christianity because they were organised and funded by the Church, and the main objective was "Take and hold the Holy Land."
Morality is a set of standards the majority expect others to follow. The punishment for not is ultimately rejection from the group, either through exile or execution. It's limited to the range of a particular society, as each one has its own 'moral' majority.
Actually ed, the crusades were started by the roman catholics.
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the thoughts of my premature burial.
Inside this oblong box I lie,
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a.k.a. Christians.
No, there is a difference, whether or not you realize it.
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the thoughts of my premature burial.
Inside this oblong box I lie,
with the hope I'll be buried alive."
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someone doesnt know what christianity is
Actually someone does, and that someone is fairly sure that the Holy Land isn't a variable that depends on which division you're in.
im not talking about you the editor
Actually, that someone doesn't give a crap. Yes, there are many ways that the two are similar, but there are still quite a few differences.
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the thoughts of my premature burial.
Inside this oblong box I lie,
with the hope I'll be buried alive."
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w/e
Had it occurred to you that I really don't care to learn much about religion? All the religious hypocrites can go fuck themselves to hell.
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the thoughts of my premature burial.
Inside this oblong box I lie,
with the hope I'll be buried alive."
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All hail God, knower of things!
fyi I have nothing against religion. I just don't like people attacking my faith (or lack thereof) without acknowledging the failings of their own, especially if their attack is bunk.
if you dont care to learn much about religions then dont try to correct people on the topic
I'll correct whoever I want. Anyone (I know) who claims to be a christian will surely object to being called catholic.
"I can't explain just how it feels,
the thoughts of my premature burial.
Inside this oblong box I lie,
with the hope I'll be buried alive."
http://rogue-babylon.myminicity.com
http://rogue-babylon.myminicity.com/ind
http://rogue-babylon.myminicity.com/tra
again you are thinking of protestantism. protestantism and catholicism are both denominations of christianity. read a book or something, at least wikipedia.
Boy are you an ignorant moron.
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