"I'll go," said Chagataev. "But what will I do there? Build socialism?"
"What else?" said the secretary.
off the top of my head: thomas alva edison, dmitri mendeleev, satyendranath bose, a. p. j. abdul kalam, louis pasteur, carl sagan, pierre curie and albert einstein
God doesn't exist.
Thomas Edison's father had to flee from Canada due to an unsuccessful rebellion, but his family was never poor.
Dmitri Mendeleev was poor, but only once he was 13 when his mother's factory belw up and his dad died.
Satyendranath Bose's father was an important engineer for the East Indian Railway Company, and even early in life he was a proclaimed genius.
Wikipedia doesn't talk about "a. p. j. abdul kalam"'s past.
Louis Pasteur was poor.
Carl Sagan's family was lower class, but not poor. However, everybody during the great depression was poor.
There's nothing about Pierre Curie's economic status, but I'm guessing his father must have had some high scholarly position because he taught his own son everything.
Albert Einstein was born to an upper-class non-religious Jewish family and attended a fancy Catholic School for the first few years of his life.
huh i couldve sworn einstien was poor. we were given this short story to read about him in my English class by Patrick pringle which documented his expulsion from school and it described the awful apartment he lived in alone because his father was always in Vienna and stated that his father couldn't afford university fees or something, and I assumed all that was at least remotely factual.
Also. How to create your own religion:
1. Abandon your critical thinking processes. Possessing a mental disorder is generally considered a big help.
2. Believe that you're in a personal relationship with a higher being and that you have access to information and wisdom no one else does when really you're just substituting information for air out of your ass and wisdom for ignorance.
3. Convince people of similar mental state (ie; retarded) to buy into your fantasies and assist you in the global proliferation of your beliefs. Promise great rewards and everlasting life in an ethereal paradise if the tenets and benedictions of your religion are followed to the letter.
4. ? ? ? ?
Do you like Jesus, Pikatwo?
LIKE Jesus? I AM Jesus!
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no i was definitely wrong because i didnt know anything about math or science in 2007
"What else?" said the secretary.
Reconciling Christian beliefs with modern knowledge isn't really that difficult and in many cases there aren't any contradictions so I don't know why more of my people don't do it. The Bible is the general map for Christian beliefs yes, but it's intentionally vague on some points and was written by man while being divinely inspired, there's bound to be a few mistakes. Take evolution for example. Taking the long view, evolution does not invalidate creationism. With what we now know about the universe, we can assume that God didn't just shape the world like clay, which seems to be the general idea that the average Christian has. No He would have had to make the laws of the Universe, because our working knowledge of God's abilities are limited, we don't know if He was constrained by certain rules or if he is the one that put the rules that the Universe plays by into effect. Using the Bible I would assume the latter. While God is prone to bouts of anger and does some pretty harsh things throughout the Old Testament, the general idea is that he is a God of Law. So God can still Create our world but he just did it by putting forth the general laws of the universe into effect and then gently nudging a few things to shape up the way they have. After Free Will, and Christ's Sacrifice, Evolution is probably one of God's greatest gifts to us. Sure there is always the chance of extinction with evolution, but we as a species can change and grow.
Then Morality. Morals constantly change with culture but the Bible sets out some pretty standard things we're suppose to practice...BUT Depending on your reading of the New Testament, the Sacrifice of Christ makes those heavy laws more of suggestions and guidelines. And let's take a moment and see if we can figure out why God made some of his laws the way He did. So He planned to send His Son in an incarnate form into the world. To do that, it appears He needed a family line set apart from the normal rabble of humanity. Hence He gives His people a set of incredibly strict rules. Moreover, this same people were expected to conquer a land in which in many ways they were outnumbered and outmatched. Homosexuality being a sin crops up here. We know now that homosexuality is largely biological, some people can't help it? God made the world so why should something he allowed to develop be a sin? Well for the Israelites it was more neccesity at the time to make it a sin. Every man and woman who weren't breeding to make the Israelites stronger and more numerous were causing a problem. Moreover it serves as a type of discipline. If a person has to deny their very nature on a daily basis, it stands that they could also discipline themselves well in battle. Israel has conquered it's lands, Christ has been Incarnated, sacrificed and resurrected. So it stands to reason that homosexuality shouldn't really be a concern of the average Christian. It's still on the books so maybe the Lord thinks it's still a good guideline, but it's something programmed into people, they definitely shouldn't be ostracized, discriminated against, or shunned for it.
There's a lot more, but I'm rambly and just wanted to get this put down in word. I'm sure there's errors in my reasoning and I haven't made myself clear in some aspects, feel free to criticize or question.
JOIN AN RP YOU SLACKERS!
If you change the benchmarks for Christian standards every time standards in secular society change, what's the point of having faith in the first place?
The faith is in God Himself. There will always be sin of some sort and Chtist gives us a form of redemption. Most modern Christians would probably think human cloning a sin although its not explicitly spelled out in the Bible.
I'm not saying for Christians to abandon their beliefs. It's more that the core of it is in Belief, prayer and trying to be a decent person rather than condensation of others for sins that were likely made sins for reasons that are no longer valid.
Why do we need a third party to find redemption?