Oct 15, 2006, 12:30pm , kg wrote:
1. Camille says that Christianity is just as violent as Islam, what with the Crusades and all other things.
As we all know, Christianity and Islam are somehow morally equal because once upon a time people were stoned to death by Christians. Muslim apologists will always attempt to play the moral equivalency card in an Islamic debate, shouting 'OMG lol you racist, Christianity is just as bad as Islam lollercopter!' when it is completely irrelevent! Violence perpertrated by Christians happened centuries ago and isn't as important as the current threat Islam poses. Just because Christians butchered and murdered people in the past doesn't suddenly relieve Islam of responsibility, either. Of course, throw all of the above at an apologist and what do they do? Why, spit out the same flawed idea that Islam and Christianity are perfectly identical, and therefore Islam will eventually be magically reformed, even though it hasn't progressed one bit during its existence, unlike Christianity.
So if someone brings up Christianity's past in an Islamic debate, simply tell them: "Irrelevant", or smash apart their argument with something more earth-shattering.
You might also like to base some of your arguments off of these questions which no-one seems to answer when I post them during various debates:
1. How would you explain the continuous, non-stop violence perpetrated by Muslims all over the world? The bombings, murders, kidnappings and attacks? How is it physically possible in this universe for a "tiny minority" to do so much in so many places, 24 hours a day, without using a teleporter?
If you read the blogosphere, you can read about the various misadventures of Muslims every single day, sometimes several times a day. Just because you don't see the news on CNN or BBC (which still carry such news, if they're prominent enough) doesn't mean that they aren't there. The "cartoon riots" were a good example of what a small, tiny minority of extremists can accomplish. Since people are often making comparisons with the KKK (the Christian version of Islam's Tiny Minority of Extremists, apparently), I can only wonder when the KKK is going to stage riots, demonstrations, firebombings and attacks against embassies in many countries, leaving over a hundred people dead! When will the KKK assassinate people around the world (or attempt to), and stage riots and demonstrations because of a publication that's critical towards Christianity? I'm sure it'll all happen some day, but I won't hold my breath or anything.
2. If all the violence and mayhem has nothing to do with Islam, then why is it that Buddhists, Christians and Hindus aren't doing the same things as Muslims? It can't be a coincidence, so what's the explanation?
3. Why is Islam represented by its most violent followers? The KKK doesn't represent Christianity, nor does Opus Dei, so why is Islam represented by all the terrorists, tyrants, madmen, psychos and angry mobs? It shouldn't be possible for a tiny minority of extremists to represent millions and millions of people, year after year.
4. Why doesn't anyone challenge the aforementioned people? Where's the global Muslim movement to suppress these fanatics who taint the name of Islam with their acts of terror? I'd wager that followers of a religion of peace would want to fight against these dangerous fanatics to prove to the world that their religion is peaceful.
5. Why are virtually all Islamic states so screwed up (if they don't have tons of oil, in which case they're slightly less screwed up)? It's a religion of peace that's perfectly compatible with democracy, secularism and human rights, so where's the problem? The West is rooted in Christianity, and we don't seem to have such problems.
6. Why do Muslim immigrants cause so many problems in The West, and elsewhere? They come from a religion of peace that's 100% compatible with secular and modern values, so again there shouldn't be any problems. Muslim enclaves and ghettos where not even the police dare to enter without backup shouldn't exist, should they? Gangraping native girls should be pretty non-existent, right? The riots in Paris couldn't have possibly occured, could they? It's pretty amazing that a school consisting of immigrants was forced to close down in Sweden due to the constant violence, isn't it? It's odd that such modern, democratic and integrated people would march in the streets and declare death for Europe, right in the middle of London, all because of some Danish cartoons. What's going on?
7. Are people (government, media, intellectuals, scholars etc.) being extraordinarily politically correct towards Islam only because they're politically correct sheep, or could threats, coercion and violence from Muslims have anything to do with it? Do you think some people in France shut down an art exhibit (or something like that - I forget) because they didn't want to offend religious sensibilities, or because Muslims appeared and told them that they'd better close it down right now, or violence would ensue?
8. While dhimmis and PC idiots are largely to blame for this, don't you see anything worrying about the erosion of Western culture? The constant need to appease Muslims and get rid of anything that might offend them, such as flags, religious symbols, books or just historical knowledge? There's nothing worrying about this at all? Just get rid of anything that Muslims don't like (please note that this does not work both ways: Muslims are not expected to return the favour, and they won't), and a multicultural paradise will ensue? Quite a few months ago, I read about a French school where a play by Voltaire was banned/considered for banning because Muslims complained about something. If you don't know, the famous quote (paraphrased) "I do not agree with what you are saying, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" is attributed to Voltaire. Oh, the painful irony!
9. Finally, if Islam is such a glorious and noble religion and culture, why is it necessary to constantly say it? I mean, you don't see people constantly asserting that Buddhism is a religion of peace that's being unfairly portrayed as violent by the media. You don't even hear anyone say this about Christianity. There's no need to constantly remind everyone that Buddhism is peaceful because it is peaceful. It's plainly obvious, and nobody has a problem with it, so clearly there's no need to repeatedly state the obvious. If you're going to argue that there's some vast media bias against Islam (there isn't, since the West is completely dhimmi and would rather commit suicide than offend Islam, which is exactly what it's doing right now), then have you ever thought why the bias exists? There must be a reason.
Biased, bigoted racist right-wing propaganda, totally unlike the pure, unfiltered and 100% factual information coming from the left:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
http://www.westernresistance.com/ag
Ric Pikatwo
Originally Posted by Fullmetal
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