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    Who, statistically, in your opinion, are the greatest military leaders of all time? It's a debate myself and Tim started on MSN and I wanted to bring it to the forum. Naval or army leaders work.

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    Yi Soon Shin. Without him Japan would have had a considerable empire. They never had any real beef with CHosun, they just wanted them to open the way to conquer Ming, which they probably would have because their land forces were vastly superior to all in the Asian region. But this would be a sign of recognizing superiority to another country and the King wasn't having that. Chosun was slaughter on the land, and Yi Soon Shin realized the sea was the key to victory, and he was undefeated. In fact, all his battles were crushing defeats. He was so sucessful the King feared a revolution and removed him of post, Won Kyun took over, and under his command the Chosun fleet was decimated almost entirely. Yi Soon Shin was reinstated and went back to take his 13 ships and 200 soldiers and defeat 333 Japanese ships and 100,000 Japanese soldiers with only 2 deaths and no ships lost.

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    George Bush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelsh View Post
    George Bush.
    Kelsi, be intelligent or leave. It's not the Misc., it's the discussion. You can make a jail bait version in the SPAM forum if you want.

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    George Bush could probably defeat any leader ever if he launched a nuke TO BE FAIR.

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    1. Yi Soon Shin
    2. Ghengis Khan
    3. Alexander
    4. Sun Tzu
    5. tie with lots of people

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    No, I was being serious! And my jail bait version is everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God View Post
    George Bush could probably defeat any leader ever if he launched a nuke TO BE FAIR.

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    1. Yi Soon Shin
    2. Ghengis Khan
    3. Alexander
    4. Sun Tzu
    5. tie with lots of people
    I agree with that list for the most part. But I'd have Alexander and Yi Soon Shin as a close tie at first. Then I'd keep Sun Tzu and Genghis Khan where's they're at. But I would but Scipio Africanus at 3 and 5 would stay the same.

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    George bush has to be the best military leader in this country.

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    Oda Nobunaga his excellence is almost unmatched

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    Toyotomi Hidiyoshi was the successor of Nobunaga, and it was he who got his ass handed to him by Yi Soon Shin.

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    correction it was toyotomi hidEyoshi lol not hidi...
    yes he did get obliterated by yi soon shin but i wasnt talking about him was i??
    so does that mean you agree that oda nobunaga is great??

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    cool my top 3

    well, here's my top three, if anyone want to know.

    1. Alexander ( him being my namesake may have something to do with it)
    2. Lafayette (Revolution hero, even though he's french)
    3. George Washington (why haven't I seen him yet?)

    two of these are new to this forum. why is that?

    I'm a revolution nut myself, so that might explain it, but Lafayette and Washington were both great military thinkers. together they pretty much invented geurrila warfare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synch-or-swim View Post
    well, here's my top three, if anyone want to know.

    1. Alexander ( him being my namesake may have something to do with it)
    2. Lafayette (Revolution hero, even though he's french)
    3. George Washington (why haven't I seen him yet?)

    two of these are new to this forum. why is that?

    I'm a revolution nut myself, so that might explain it, but Lafayette and Washington were both great military thinkers. together they pretty much invented geurrila warfare.
    They invented guerrilla warfare?! Guerrilla warfare has been around since the Punic Wars. Check out the Fabian Strategy on Wikipedia or anywhere else you can find it.

    And although Washington and Lafayette were both intelligent men who could lead their armies well, I doubt they're top three of all time material.

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    My top goes to Qin Shi Huang, the fact that he could combine the whole of China for a long time is a very good indicator.

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    People not mentioning Yi Soon Shin need to fucking wikipedia that pimp.

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    Punic wars... yeah, sorry, my bad.
    my social studies teacher needs to be pyu-neeshed.
    they may not have invented it, but they sure as hell used it when the brits wouldn't. and as intelligent as they were, I seriously doubt THEY knoew about the punic wars. and so, they may not have been the first, but without outside influence, they probably invented geurilla warfare.
    or I could be wrong.

    Lafayette was most definetely top 3 material. washington...maybe top 10 somewhere, but Lafayette was the SHIT!

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    No way Lafayette was better than Yi Soon Shin, Genghis Khan, Alexander and a few others.

    Washington was quite good but if you're ranking him in the Top 10 it's based on influence more than anything else.

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    I AM very influencable.
    yes, NO WAY lafayette was better than alexander or Khan. i've never even heard of Shin, but that is why you (god) invented Wikipedia, isn't it?

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