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    Default the idea that socialism goes against 'human nature'

    alright let us discuss this popular talking point

    people who use this say that human nature is inherently selfish/competitive(which is not entirely true ... western culture is because living conditions in europe were a lot more harsh than they were in a tropical island or something. there are plenty of cooperative cultures but anyway) and therefore they will seek money. but money is not some kind of completely separate entity that human nature seeks in and of itself. its psychologically represents something. it represents social standing and the ability to obtain a mate. human nature seeks social standing and the ability to mate - money is just, in our current culture, which represents this. it could theoretically be represented by anything.

    so, say we are in a socialist society. some scientist discovers the CURE FOR DEATH. in a capitalist country he could sell this for a shitload of money, which will give him social standing and a better chance of finding a desirable mate. but if it were in a socialist country he wouldn't get any money - but in a socialist culture, which would value cooperation and good deeds, the respect he gains could give him social standing and boost his chance of finding a desirable mate just as much as money could. it accomplishes the same thing, people will still want to do meritorious things due to the competitive and selfish side of human nature, but for something different than money, but which psychologically works in pretty much the same way. the only difference is, to get this kind of social respect which works in the same way as money, you would actually have to do something which benefits society, rather than, in a capitalist culture, being able to get money by doing shit like accounting tricks to fool investors into putting their money into a shitty company, embezzling money, and enslaving third world countries for profit. good thing right?

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    Yep. But good luck establishing that system. For one thing, how are you going to get rid of money?

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    the editor, by admitting that socialism works, has just retroactively conceded our arguments about welfare and the conservative party. what a thread this is and on what a day.

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    Yeah, I guess that works. It sounds good in theroy

    But the thing is getting the people to change. Would people want to change when they know they can just get the same respect in a Capitalist society just by cheating and not having to do too much instead of actually working for that kind of respect and not seeing some sort of visual representation of their good deeds through money, and just having to trust that someones services will come through with nothing in return?

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    Hey, I like socialism. I don't like welfare abuse or the wasting of tax-payers money.

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    I agree with Timmy but the one problem is that money works better psychologically, because it is material and can be measured.

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    Humans like counting things. Just look at the Egyptians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Octazooka View Post
    Humans like counting things. Just look at the Egyptians.
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    You make it sound so inviting, God. Although, in theory, wouldn't it just take one determined douchebag to fuck it up for everyone?


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    That's what I've been saying Nido. We had this conversation not a month past. He keeps dragging it up like going over it again will change reality.

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    what

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    Now the question is, who's the douchebag?

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    what.

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    Did my answer make sense at least

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    your response made sense but this thread is really just about debunking a talking point, not going into how society would actually transition into socialism.

    most of the other posts in this thread though, boggle the mind a bit.

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    Yes, Timmy can't comprehend intelligent answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octazooka View Post
    Humans like counting things. Just look at the Egyptians.
    yes look at all these intelligent answers. i cant handle it.

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    Humans do like counting things. Here's an example:

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    Socialism sounds good until I think of all the stupid, lazy, obnoxious niggers in Richmond who would be living off my hard earned paychecks because "society" is trampling on them. God knows their plight isn't caused by lazyness, buying a car and house they can't afford, and not working one of the dozens of jobs within walking distance alone. For that reason I approve of Capitalism, it puts those who leech off the rest of us where they belong.
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    Unfortunately, the children of these men don't deserve it.

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    Children have no rights, they do what their parents tell them and what they're parents do. It's the responsibility of the parents to raise them right and likewise when the child fucks up they should share the blame.
    "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Time Enough For Love, by Robert Heinlein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solly View Post
    Now the question is, who's the douchebag?
    For arguments sake, The Joker.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RedCheetah View Post
    Children have no rights, they do what their parents tell them and what they're parents do. It's the responsibility of the parents to raise them right and likewise when the child fucks up they should share the blame.
    So poverty and throwinng away life is a family thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedCheetah View Post
    Socialism sounds good until I think of all the stupid, lazy, obnoxious niggers in Richmond who would be living off my hard earned paychecks because "society" is trampling on them. God knows their plight isn't caused by lazyness, buying a car and house they can't afford, and not working one of the dozens of jobs within walking distance alone. For that reason I approve of Capitalism, it puts those who leech off the rest of us where they belong.
    well rc of course you know this is a poor argument because these people are a product of a culture which capitalism has created to make people more easy to control

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    Wait, capitalism makes people easier to control?

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