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    I agree with Tim on the downside to cloning and genetic manipulation in that it would create a huge class divide between people who can and can't afford it, but both also have many benefits. Cloning human organs, for instance, for use in sick patients who require a transplant but where no donors are available. The cloned human that provides the organs could be created as a blank slate, with no consciousness, so there are no ethical dilemmas, or the organs could be created within some other animal and then transplanted that way. Another benefit to cloning would be creating a younger copy of yourself when your body is failing and transplanting your brain or consciousness into the fresh copy. Genetic manipulation could correct a myriad of physical shortcomings in a lot of people aswell.

    If I remember right it is against a few religions. If those people find out that could make anouther war, and earth is way to weak for another war.
    Yeah, religions opposed to human cloning are going to declare war on the world if they find out it's happening. Do you know how silly you sound?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pikatwo
    Cloning human organs, for instance, for use in sick patients who require a transplant but where no donors are available. The cloned human could be created as a blank slate, with no consciousness, so there are no ethical dilemmas, or the organs could be created within some other animal and then transplanted that way. Another benefit to cloning would be creating a younger copy of yourself when your body is failing and transplanting your brain or consciousness into the fresh copy. Genetic manipulation could correct a myriad of physical shortcomings in a lot of people aswell.
    This creates a major population problem though. While the dramatic decrease of death seems good externally, soon enormous problems of space, pollution, energy and fuel consumption, and food supply. People don't retire because they're living into their mid 100s, and there's a crisis of job availability. Then again only the super-rich would probably be able to afford this stuff, which helps the problem, and doesn't create quite the dichotomy fetus genetic manipulation would.

    I think creating organs for transplants could be great in the future, but a LOT of things need to be solved before that happens, to the point of maybe even colonization of other planets. We're nowhere near ready to deal with the effects.

    And whoever said the motherfucking SUN isn't strong enough to create good energy is an idiot.

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    He also said that all cars need oil. I'm pretty sure something like an hour of solar energy is about as much energy as the whole world uses in electricity over a year.

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    About the organs thing: The genetic code is implanted with age, so although your new organ wouldn't be contaminated, it would die at the same time as the rest of your body.

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    When I die, I want my body dipped a tub of tree sap which which will encase me in amber so that future scientists could create a theme park out of my clones.


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    When I die, I want an epitaph saying "Ed says 'Hi!'", and that I was killed using a filange. No clones.

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    Do people want to be asexual creatures now? We don't need cloned meat for there are enough animals, we don't need cloned people for there are more than enough of them and the lack of organ donors wouldn't be a problem if more people were caring enough to give.
    If your child died, would you rather mourn for a few weeks and pray they'll be save in the "next world", or would you make a clone only to find out that the personality has changed (or something) and you feel worse than ever?

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    Cloned meat: good call
    Cloned people: not so good

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    The 6th Day was a great cloning movie.
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    There could definitely be an upside. I mean, imagine if you could clone the greatest people in history and bring them together in some place...


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    I would actually find myself against the idea of cloning, the whole bioethics of the subject leads me to believe this may just be our scientific world going too far. What we're tampering with is life, and it's a delicate subject. Is it biologically ethical to manufacture a clone of another human being?

    But for those who do approve of the method, if cloning was to be adapted into our society, what would these clones be used for? There are medical pruposes, a commercial aspect, or even for use in our lives to duplicate people. So would cloning be used for something like meat, or to manufacture either cloned humans as a replacement for another or as a style of slave? How do you propose we use cloning in life?

    I just find it unethical to clone another human being. Meat I'm not so against but it would take even centuries for cloning to be accepted into society. It is quite possible that cloning will be used in the future, even inevitable but I am against the cloning of humans for commercial purposes.

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    You guys seem to forget there was a child cloned only a couple years ago. What happened to it we may never know as I never heard anything past the first week or so.
    "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Time Enough For Love, by Robert Heinlein

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    Also, think on this: Without genetic enhancements technology will fill in the gap. Kids with genetically enhanced eyesight won't be much different from the kids with bionic implants, adults with enhanced strength won't be much different from the strength intensifiers most laborers will wear. IMO if we let genetics lose the fight it will indeed be the haves and have nots but it won't be from physical disability it will be from being unable to afford the technology that jobs require you have. Also, as for cloned humans, what about robots? What happens when they become a minority? Personally I think that technology and genetics should mirror each other, that way people have options as to what they want to do to their body.
    "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Time Enough For Love, by Robert Heinlein

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    That's true. I think I'd rather have a future run by sPlicers than cyborgs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KS Jr. View Post
    The whole idea about cloning yourself to have an illusion of immortality is bullshit. Your DNA is encoded with age naturally, and until we completely unravel every bit of the genome, we could do nothing to change it, and even if we do, there's no guarantee.
    By cloning yourself, and never letting people see you younger than about 18-20 or older than 30-35, you could use clones to produce an illusion of immortality.

    Also, think on this: Without genetic enhancements technology will fill in the gap. Kids with genetically enhanced eyesight won't be much different from the kids with bionic implants, adults with enhanced strength won't be much different from the strength intensifiers most laborers will wear. IMO if we let genetics lose the fight it will indeed be the haves and have nots but it won't be from physical disability it will be from being unable to afford the technology that jobs require you have. Also, as for cloned humans, what about robots? What happens when they become a minority? Personally I think that technology and genetics should mirror each other, that way people have options as to what they want to do to their body.
    This is the point I was trying to make earlier to god. Robotics will be just as (if not more) expensive than gennetic alterations.

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    But you'd still die at the same time. It would be nothing more than a superficial hoax that plenty of people would do, thus making the illusion easy to be seen through.

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    Cloning is Gay to me

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    profound

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    Quote Originally Posted by c04 View Post
    Cloning is Gay to me
    You are n00b.

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    Tim, you can't hold back his CHAOTIC POWERS forever!

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    I know Nocturne, I know ... but if I unrestrict him, his CHAOS will be truly OMNIPONENT in every forum, and I will have unleashed a mighty beast into this world. One that cannot be controlled.

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    Truly his powers of OMNIPOTENCE will outlast all of us, and creation itself will be drawn back into the womb of CHAOS, and he shall dance on our graves and laugh. Best you yield to his powers or be forever tortured in his deep, twisted dungeons!

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    Except by those to whom I'm loyal. Please quit the faggotishness of screwing with my name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lacemaker View Post
    But for those who do approve of the method, if cloning was to be adapted into our society, what would these clones be used for? There are medical pruposes, a commercial aspect, or even for use in our lives to duplicate people. So would cloning be used for something like meat, or to manufacture either cloned humans as a replacement for another or as a style of slave? How do you propose we use cloning in life?
    Military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God View Post
    I know Nocturne, I know ... but if I unrestrict him, his CHAOS will be truly OMNIPONENT in every forum, and I will have unleashed a mighty beast into this world. One that cannot be controlled.
    Yeah, I'm an elite and I've come to overthrow you. Get over the gay shit and unrestrict me please.

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