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    Is it possible to see Jesus in something completely secular or a non-christian person?

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    Jesus doesn't exist as a person, more of a spirit, so in answer to your question, yes.

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    Yeah I know that he is more of a spirit but my question is more of 'does something have to be christian/spiritual/godly to see his light on earth?'

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    Do you have to be black to see a plane?

    No to both questions.

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    Actually, if you aren't a Christian and you were to see a sign of Christ, you'd intepret it as something else. Likewise, if a Christian saw a sign of the Buddha (for example), they'd interpret it as a sign of God.

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    Not necessarily Ed, we live in a much more open society now. Sure Religions clash, but individual practitioners don't interpret EVERYTHING as a sign of their deity. If I saw something that clearly seemed to resonate from Budha, I'd definately say "Hey wait a minute" but I don't think my mind would instantly swap Budha for Big J. THen again, Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

    Ghost, to your question, I'd say that Chi's right, there's no reason a non religious person can't have some sort of experience with Christ.
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    When it comes to religious experiences, they're all suitably vague for the deity responsible to be completely ambiguous. Therefore a religious person would believe that their deity was responsible. Meanwhile, the atheist would assume it was a hallucination, because that's how stubborn we are

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    Maybe, I haventt had any miracles or religious visions, but if I see any I'll definately post it here so we can determing what religious figure it was related too.
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    Cool. It'll give me a chance to see how A-Level RS compares to reality.

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    I'm Christian becuase it makes sense to me, but as far as signs go, if you're looking for signs, even waking up and smelling a fart could be a sign, and people will contribute these "signs" to whatever they believe in.

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    No it couldn't, but I see what you're gettign at. So tell us, why do you believe?

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    I really don't know, I just do. I guess part of it is logic, if believe and you die and there's nothing there, what have you lost? But if you don't believe and there's something there, to put it simply, you're screwed.

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    That's ridiculous. If there's nothing there, then you simply die, and all feelings of pain or good feeling are gone, as is your conscience. You die, and that's the final experience or your life, lest you be revived.

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    And, this goes in the Theology Megathread.

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    1, That is your opinion.

    2, I didn't make this thread, and the megathread seems to be dead at the end of a tangent.

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    1. It's scientific fact. Everything in the universe is either matter, energy, or some combination of those two. Considering we know what the matter inside of you is, there is no monstrous spike in energy due to unexplainable reasons inside your body, and our nervous system isn't removed from our body, kept alive, and sent to some other planet to live, the idea of heaven or hell is ridiculous.

    2. I wasn't referring to you, and that doesn't change the fact that it should be in the Megathread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KS Jr. View Post
    And, this goes in the Theology Megathread.
    So fucking what.

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    I am atheist, but the whole thing is kind of confusing to me. Who made god? How did he create the people? Or the animals? I cant remember which, but one theory is that we were made of dust. If that is so, where did the blood come from? And our knowledge? So many questions, so little time.
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    God is omnipotent (supposedly).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boycrazies View Post
    Who made god?
    No one. God was the first and only thing before he created The heavens, universe and earth.

    How did he create the people? Or the animals?
    He created them. That's just it. God is the most powerful thing ever.
    I cant remember which, but one theory is that we were made of dust.
    That would be the biblical theory. That comes straight from the bible.

    If that is so, where did the blood come from? And our knowledge?
    God gave us knowledge and blood. Try reading Genesis the first book of the Bible.

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    You're not really giving any proof. You're simply using examples from a book that is the only reason your argument exists, so it's not really a good idea.

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    Can you go play in traffic please?

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    Ghost, you're in the Serious Discussion section. If you want to try and preach your beliefs to other people, you better be willing and able to defend them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    No one. God was the first and only thing before he created The heavens, universe and earth.

    He created them. That's just it. God is the most powerful thing ever.
    That would be the biblical theory. That comes straight from the bible.

    God gave us knowledge and blood. Try reading Genesis the first book of the Bible.
    God is just something that somebody made up long ago to get people to do what they wanted to. Things just didn't appear on earth because some invisible deity wanted them to, and certainly not out of dust either. I'm not saying I'm one of those Scientology people, but you have to think logically about some things, especially since there's proof that life on earth and earth itself existed way before God supposedly created it.

    Anyways, I suppose a non believer could see as you put it 'his light on earth', but you could just be seeing what you want to see. My own father said he saw Jesus in the mirror in his bathroom, but I say he was fucked up drunk and was just seeing shit. Not everything is 'miracles' and 'light on earth'.

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