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    that's how a lot of people view it. In occult terms it's called being a Left Path Satanist. Satanists who believe in an actual deity are Right Path Satanists

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    It is a very scary thought. Never being able to think again, it's terrifying in fact. But I'm sure once I'm dead it wont matter. Everybody dies, I'll accept that someday.
    And as an Agnostic I can always hope undeniable proof of an afterlife pops up. But until then I'll be pretty scared of dying.

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    Garden of Eden's a metaphore too, IMO. Tree of Knowledge=Discovering Agriculture. Manipulating nature basically turned us into gods ourselves. Once Neolithic humans discovered they didn't have to forage and migrate when food got low, they had more time to sit around and live in large extended families and basically go crazy. Also, the serpent wasn't Satan, it was a reference to a Sumerian snake goddess who, in an older legend, created the universe.

    I'm vaguely familiar with the multifaceted asPects of Satanism myself. Wiccanism and Paganism just make more sense to me.


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    So many people sitting on the fence... Just pick a side already, you two-faced cowards!

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    I believe in a form of an afterlife, but I'm scared shirtless of dying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Editor View Post
    So many people sitting on the fence... Just pick a side already, you two-faced cowards!
    It's not that easy.
    You can't just pick a side, and it does not make one cowardly.
    The only intelligent way to 'pick a side' would be to have absolute, undeniable proof. If you're going to center your entire life around something there better be more to back it up then "well this might have happened, and this might happen again" right? And seeing as nothing even close to proof exists when you talk about divinity, an afterlife and a god; no rational and intelligent person can make a choice. Thus why Agnostics have the best stance on this subject.

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    No proof, hence atheism. And stop using the wrong definition of agnosticism. Agnosticism is the belief that is impossible to know if God exists or not. Atheism is simply not believing in God (weak atheism), or believing there is no God (strong atheism).

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    Agnostic means you don't know if a higher power exists. I don't see how I'm using that term incorrectly.

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    A lot of people here seem to confuse agnosticism with weak atheism. And you haven't shown why an agnost isn't someone who just doesn't want to make up their mind.

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    I assure you I'm not confusing my own religious stance with any other.

    And agnostics can't just 'make up their minds' because they're not stupid. You can't just decided on something thats so huge without known all the facts, right? That would just be stupid. So agnostics are just waiting for all the facts before making a decision that effects so much. It's also not because I 'don't want too make up my mind' if I could put myself at ease I would. But like I said, I don't believe in things without proof.

    I take this princaple with me when I decide anything. Big or small. I'm not going to do something if I don't know the facts. I'm not going to believe in something if there is no proof. I'll find the proof, and if there is none I'll just put it away in the back of my head until there is proof. Little things, okay I let those slide, they aren't important. But my lifestyle, my philosophy, practically everything about be will have to be re-defined if I make a choice about religion. And I'm not going to do that just to find out I'm wrong. I'm not going to make an absolute discussion on something so important without fully comprehending it.

    Am I ever going to comprehend it? No, probably not. But that's better then being tragically wrong, and wasting my life over it. Right?

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    If you don't make a decision without all the facts, then why believe in science or reality? And sitting on the fence won't help. God won't allow you to enter heaven unless you believe in him, which means you have no reason not to make a decision.

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    It's not just that you have to believe in god, you have to live by his rules.
    Philisophically I'm a Satanist. So you can understand just how hard it would be to going from doing what I want, to what god wants. Now unless god comes down from heaven and says "Sup Miss Raichu, believe in me." I'm not about to re-arrange my entire life on the hopeless idea that there is some shinning cloud oasis waiting for me after my brain stops working.
    Now by all means, if someone could prove it to me, I'd do it. But until then I'm going to the smart thing, and wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Editor View Post
    A lot of people here seem to confuse agnosticism with weak atheism. And you haven't shown why an agnost isn't someone who just doesn't want to make up their mind.
    If they believe there isn't enough proof to say if God exists, then obviously they don't believe God DOES exist The Editor.
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    Coming back to the root topic, I don't believe there is any sort of afterlife, but lately I'm beginning to doubt my beliefs. I've had my own experiences with death, one in December during the cruise when we were involved in a car accident.

    A car from behind rammed into our van, and with me sitting in the back seat centre, I took the worst impact. I was fortunate enough and got away with a concussion and whiplash. But it was a very frightening time for me, the hit only lasted about 2 seconds, and in those 2 seconds, I could have quite easily died.

    Death is a rather daunting thought, but I don't fear death as much as I fear aging, wasting away in agony until that final day comes. For some elderly, death would be a blessing compared to how they must live in their old age. Could there really be something waiting for us after death? It seems implausible now but it seems no one will know until that day finally arrives.

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    Then they are atheists, not agnosts. Get it right, people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Editor View Post
    Then they are atheists, not agnosts. Get it right, people.
    No one has gotten it wrong.
    Atheists believe that god does not exist.
    Agnostics believe that there is not enough proof to believe if god does or doesn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mex View Post
    that's how a lot of people view it. In occult terms it's called being a Left Path Satanist. Satanists who believe in an actual deity are Right Path Satanists
    Wasn't it seperated into Theistic Satanists are the ones who believe in the actual deity in biblical sense and the ones who view the occult beliefs as truth to be LaVeyan Satanists? People tend to mash the two together in some weird ways when they're both really different in nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xion: The Master of Steel View Post
    Wasn't it seperated into Theistic Satanists are the ones who believe in the actual deity in biblical sense and the ones who view the occult beliefs as truth to be LaVeyan Satanists? People tend to mash the two together in some weird ways when they're both really different in nature.
    There are three types of Satanists.
    Theists believe in the devil from the bible.
    LaVeys believe in a philosophical princaple based around ones own self pleasure.
    Pureists are big fags, so lets not even bother with them.

    I'm not a complete dumbass, so obviously I'm a LaVey(also known as Modern) Satanist.

    They are all very different, but every time I say I'm a Satanist someone goes off the handle thinking I have a shrine to the dark lord in my closet.

    And Mex is wrong, as far as I know the Right hand path is the path of god, and the Left hand path is the path of the devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Editor View Post
    Then they are atheists, not agnosts. Get it right, people.
    No, The Editor. There is a difference between GOD DOES NOT EXIST and I don't believe God exists. The latter is agnosticism.
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    Agnosticism definitions from dictionary.com

    1. the doctrine or belief of an agnostic.
    2. an intellectual doctrine or attitude affirming the uncertainty of all claims to ultimate knowledge.
    1. a religious orientation of doubt; a denial of ultimate knowledge of the existence of God; "agnosticism holds that you can neither prove nor disprove God's existence"
    2. the disbelief in any claims of ultimate knowledge


    Atheism...
    1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
    2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
    Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
    The doctrine that there is no God or gods.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Raichu View Post
    There are three types of Satanists.
    Theists believe in the devil from the bible.
    LaVeys believe in a philosophical princaple based around ones own self pleasure.
    Pureists are big fags, so lets not even bother with them.

    I'm not a complete dumbass, so obviously I'm a LaVey(also known as Modern) Satanist.

    They are all very different, but every time I say I'm a Satanist someone goes off the handle thinking I have a shrine to the dark lord in my closet.

    And Mex is wrong, as far as I know the Right hand path is the path of god, and the Left hand path is the path of the devil.
    That's what I thought. Theists believe in the actual figure of Satan the fallen soul from the Bible. LaVeyan Satanists believe in Satan as a symbol for their natural carnal desires. It's really an interesting theology that goes on sadly mistaken.

    Hahaha, yeah, that's what I was talking about. You walk past the road and tell some, then their next reaction is to toss water on you right?

    Yes, the Left-Hand Path belongs to those who reject the ideas of Christianity and associated beliefs, such as all forms of Satanism, while the Right-Hand Path belongs to Christianity and similar religions and beliefs.
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    So, now we've cleared that little issue up... Where were we? Ah yes, Satan. Or was it death? Eh, whatever... Death isn't anything to worry about, and Satan was a freedom fighter. Oh, and Judaism makes a lot more sense than Christianity.

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    and Satan was a freedom fighter.
    We haven't fucking cleared that up at all LOL I don't think we've even agreed to disagree on the matter! You want to?

    Fine. You believe Satan was a noble soul who wanted to free himself from the shackles of an evil God's oppression and was sPared cuz of his awesomeness and reluctantly banished to his own dimension where he and his fellow emancipated angels can do whatever they want.

    I believe Satan is the extradimensional manifestation of humanity's negativity but in regards to this story, I'll go with power hungry, seductive angel whose reach exceded his grasP and was placed somewhere he could rule happily ever after.


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    Death? Who's scared of death?

    While the Christian community will deny this, I actually agree with Ed. Or at least I would, if I believed that there are actually supernatural beings out there. My stance on death is the scientific approach: your body fails, and you die. That's all there is to it.

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    That approach always felt a bit too simplistic for me. And yet, the idea that you only get to meet the Creator of everything after your finished living feels contrived.

    So much to learn... v_v


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