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    I was listening to the opening speech in the new version of Zeitgeist*. The guy talks about how people in different religions, mainly Christianity, constantly look to the past and the future. They don't seem to grasp the here and now, or if they do they're afraid of it. They don't like it or they can't handle it so they're always looking at the past hoping it'll be okay or looking to their future in heaven when they need a reason to keep going. The sad part is they treat the problems of now like nuisances, they're just worldly problems. They also think their worldly accomplishments are rather meaningless, it's come to pass after all. They look to the future where it will be gone instead of living in the present where it's real. As the guy put it, they live their lives waiting to be dead. I found that very interesting.
    "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Time Enough For Love, by Robert Heinlein

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    Can't totally blame 'em though. It's as valid a viewpoint as any other.


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    You can't totally blame them but that doesn't mean you should just let them keep doing it.
    "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Time Enough For Love, by Robert Heinlein

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    Lately, I've been thinking the problem with Christianity today is that it's become too damn popular. It developed as a means to stick it to the status quo, promote love and provide comfort to the downtrodden. Now it is the status quo, promotes holier-than-thou attitudes and provides power to the writhing masses plowing through all opposition.


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    It's got a lot of problems, it wasn't designed to be this widely accepted.
    "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Time Enough For Love, by Robert Heinlein

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    That's why atheism is the way forward.

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    Atheism is far from correct, it implies there are no magic forces or divine beings or anything supernatural. If you take the word "supernatural" to mean "anything that can't be explained by science" then everything from inertia to gravity to electricity is supernatural.
    "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Time Enough For Love, by Robert Heinlein

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    Thanks for telling me about what I believe in.

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    Which is?
    "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Time Enough For Love, by Robert Heinlein

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    First things first, that is not the meaning of supernatural. A supernatural event has causes outside the logical bunds of the universe, such as ghosts, fairies or God. Gravity and electricity do not fall into that category.

    Now explain to me why atheism is "far from correct". It may be wrong, but I doubt you can prove it even logically.

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    I suppose for the same reason being atheism can neither be proven or disProven, only argued. And who defines these "logical bounds" anyway? 300 years from now, ghosts and fairies may very well be proven via new sciences in the fields of interdimensional shit.


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    Nope, they're still outside logical boundaries by virtue of the "if it had an effect you'd know it was there" argument.

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    Sleep paralysis is blamed on ghosts...

    Arguments from ignorance are a funny thing. The people who make them are usually faggots with no imagination. If someone comes up with a hypothesis that fairies exist, then they may well make themselves into mainstream science.

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    People who make those arguments are usually the reason the projects to find shit get discontinued.

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    True, there may indeed be fairies and such, but they do not appear to have any effect on our universe, and so are therefore unobservable at the present time. By all means look, but I for one believe you will not find them.

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    Well, we discover more species of animal by the second, who says one of those species of animal couldn't turn out a majestic fairy?

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    For one thing the physical structure of what we call a fairy isn't actually possible.

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    Neither are bumblebees apparently.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Editor View Post
    First things first, that is not the meaning of supernatural. A supernatural event has causes outside the logical bunds of the universe, such as ghosts, fairies or God. Gravity and electricity do not fall into that category.

    Now explain to me why atheism is "far from correct". It may be wrong, but I doubt you can prove it even logically.

    "If you describe the word to mean." if being the key word there.

    For atheism to be correct they'd need proof, to have proof they'd have to explain why everything happens and how there is no supernatural involvement. Currently, we can't even explain properly why an object in motion tends to stay in motion.
    "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Time Enough For Love, by Robert Heinlein

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    Just because it isn't proven doesn't make it far from correct. Last I checked no standing point on the question of God's existence has been proven.

    For bees air behaves more like a liquid, so the forces are different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedCheetah View Post
    "If you describe the word to mean." if being the key word there.

    For atheism to be correct they'd need proof, to have proof they'd have to explain why everything happens and how there is no supernatural involvement. Currently, we can't even explain properly why an object in motion tends to stay in motion.
    well of course you can. if an object is moving, it would not stop moving, unless something stops it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Editor View Post
    Just because it isn't proven doesn't make it far from correct. Last I checked no standing point on the question of God's existence has been proven.

    For bees air behaves more like a liquid, so the forces are different.
    Not proven, but assumed. People assume the existance of God in the first place because they couldn't really explain everything without it.

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    Well then, here are atheists assuming God doesn't exist. Now, what makes the theist's assumption better than the atheist's? As far as I can see, absolutely nothing.

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    This thread made me frown.

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    Yay?

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