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    Holy shit unless you have 5 or more kids 90k a year is definitely upper middle class at the very least.
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    I would like to see a family with 2 kids making 90k combined income a year be able to afford 2 Mercury or better class cars, a $400,000 home, etc.
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    I make 35 a year, and I'm only racist here. I mean, obviously I have random thoughts about 'Wow- that guy is black as fuck,' but I don't react to that thought. I treat most black people the same way I treat most white people.

    Obviously, generally.


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    Why do we constantly drift back into classism?

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    I haven't broken it down like this in a while but here we go... This is all out of the top of my head without the help of MS money... Heh.

    $38,999 per year is about $660 per week after taxes.

    Immediately deduct $60 per week for health insurance.

    My house payment is $510 with insurance and taxes in escrow.

    Electric bill is about $100 per month

    Internet, dishnetwork, cell phone and homephone is about $160 per month

    Gas (to heat with) is about $400 per month in the winter and about $60 in the summer.

    Water bill is usually about $60+ per month.

    Car insurance is about $60 per month.

    Just bills are $1260 per month on average add in about $300 per month on gasoline... $1560

    Grocery bill is usually at least $400-500

    Now take the rest of our monthly expenses into perspective, diapers and baby formula are about $200-250 per month...

    Add in any luxuries like going out to dinner or going to the movies... Dinner and a movie once per week (like we have time for that heh) would be about $50 x 4 = $200 per month.

    $60 health insurance
    $510 house payment
    $100 electricity
    $160 phone, cell phone, internet and dish network
    $400 Gas in the winter
    $60 water/sewage/trash pickup
    $60 car insurance
    $300 gasoline
    $500 grocery bill
    $250 baby expenses NOT including clothing, toys, and any little luxury like shampoo ONLY food and diapers...
    ______
    $2400 per month

    Add in a car payment and we are in the red...

    So we have about $240 to play with for clothes, toys, entertainment, etc.

    This is all with a very domestic wife who can cook just about anything she sets her mind to. Take into perspective that most wives today can't cook, don't clean, hire someone to mow the lawn and take care of the garden...

    Eating out even only once a day could easily cost over $1000 per month.

    Plus, the area I live in has a very low cost of living. If this were Chicago or NYC those totals would possibly double.

    I noticed that just in grand rapids, MI the cost of baby stuff was $2-3 more item, so that could easily add $30+ just for that.

    Also our house payment is very, very low... If we had an $80k home the payment would be about $700-800.

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    Ed, God is obsessed with it.

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    I bet he could drag it into religion.

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    Well, this society was formed by Christians, IN GOD WE TRUST.

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    And then some people worked out that society can function without religion. Huzzah! Karl Marx was wrong about religion, btw.

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    Hmm, a topic about afirmitive action and class SOMEHOW gets dragged into it!? THAT'S JUST CRAZY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Editor View Post
    Why do we constantly drift back into classism?
    Because it is extremely prominent in society and idiots(like the editor perhaps?) don't realize it like they should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keke Le Cat View Post
    I haven't broken it down like this in a while but here we go... This is all out of the top of my head without the help of MS money... Heh.

    $38,999 per year is about $660 per week after taxes.

    Immediately deduct $60 per week for health insurance.

    My house payment is $510 with insurance and taxes in escrow.

    Electric bill is about $100 per month

    Internet, dishnetwork, cell phone and homephone is about $160 per month

    Gas (to heat with) is about $400 per month in the winter and about $60 in the summer.

    Water bill is usually about $60+ per month.

    Car insurance is about $60 per month.

    Just bills are $1260 per month on average add in about $300 per month on gasoline... $1560

    Grocery bill is usually at least $400-500

    Now take the rest of our monthly expenses into perspective, diapers and baby formula are about $200-250 per month...

    Add in any luxuries like going out to dinner or going to the movies... Dinner and a movie once per week (like we have time for that heh) would be about $50 x 4 = $200 per month.

    $60 health insurance
    $510 house payment
    $100 electricity
    $160 phone, cell phone, internet and dish network
    $400 Gas in the winter
    $60 water/sewage/trash pickup
    $60 car insurance
    $300 gasoline
    $500 grocery bill
    $250 baby expenses NOT including clothing, toys, and any little luxury like shampoo ONLY food and diapers...
    ______
    $2400 per month

    Add in a car payment and we are in the red...

    So we have about $240 to play with for clothes, toys, entertainment, etc.

    This is all with a very domestic wife who can cook just about anything she sets her mind to. Take into perspective that most wives today can't cook, don't clean, hire someone to mow the lawn and take care of the garden...

    Eating out even only once a day could easily cost over $1000 per month.

    Plus, the area I live in has a very low cost of living. If this were Chicago or NYC those totals would possibly double.

    I noticed that just in grand rapids, MI the cost of baby stuff was $2-3 more item, so that could easily add $30+ just for that.

    Also our house payment is very, very low... If we had an $80k home the payment would be about $700-800.
    If you have dish network I think you're doing ok

    My household income was something like 14k this year and I would definitely say my living standards are middle class. I have the internet, TV, can afford enough gas to get back and forth from work, and have enough money to buy things like CDs, DVDs, etc. I would call those living conditions middle class.
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    "What else?" said the secretary.

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    You're paying utilities, rent, gas, and have leisure money at only 14 grand a year total?

    Don't you live in/near Philly or something? Before taxes 14 grand just barely clears 1k a month- how could you manage all those bills?

    I'm making a decent bit more but still have trouble juggling the bills =/


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    Dishnetwork is less expensive than cable... Soooo do you have cable TV? My dishnetwork is $35 per month. Expanded cable with the same number of channels is something like $64 per month.

    Frankly, I don't believe you can live anywhere on 14k per year on your own without any aide.

    That is so far below the poverty level its ridiculous...

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    God's an angry poor man. I'm poor, but I'm not nearly as angry about it.
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    I'm not angry about being poor, I'm angry about other people being poor and rich people being ignorant faggots.
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    I'm starting to think affirmative action is getting outdated. People aren't as (openly?) racist as they were back in say the 50s--Ok, you don't count West Virginia-- so it shouldn't be to difficult for any half-competent minority to find work. And if the only reason you have a job is cuz your boss was forced to hire a black lesbian Muslim like yourself out of affirmative action, it'll probly be a shitty work environment anyway.


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    Of course people aren't as openly racist as in the 50s, which makes it more difficult to deal with in a way. There is still a shit load of institutionalized and certainly subconscious racism.
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    In larger cities you just don't see racism at all unless it is from the police.

    If the town you are trying to get a job in as a black man is a predominately white small town with an active KKK in Kentucky and the only way you get a job is with Affirmative Action... God help you, cause the devil will be helping the KKK.

    Growing up in the country outside of Chicago I had no idea what a black person was. I remember the first time I saw a black woman (around the age of 4) at the local K-Mart... I walked up to her, pulled on her dress and said, "Momma, is this a black woman?" and the woman laughed and said, "Yes, child I am a black woman."

    She may have felt like a circus freak but no one was openly rude to her, no lynching, no name calling, and this was the 80s.

    So no one in my Illinois community was black OR racist. I never heard "the N word" until I was LISTENING TO RAP LYRICS. I actually looked it up in the dictionary. The word was not used in my home. Neither were words such as fuck, cunt, cock, etc. The only two swears I ever heard out of my dad's mouth was shit and damn.

    I would also LOVE to point out that I was born in West Virginia. my father was born and raised in West Virginia and lived there most of his adult life. He was NOT racist in any way, shape or form. He was the greatest man I ever knew. He stopped at age 67 to help a mexican man change the tire on his van. MOST men won't stop to help a woman of their own race let alone another man.

    To say that everyone in West Virginia is racist and ignorant is just disgusting. There are good people of every creed, religion, race, demography, etc.

    Appalachia is a terrible place to be born into and stuck because it is one of the poorest places in America. People really do starve to death there without the government even noticing. To be born into one of the worst places in America and suffer your entire life, struggle to feed your children on a dirt floor in a log cabin without heat, without running water, without the things other Americans take for granted...

    Why don't you people bitch about the genocide racism in Berma and the rest of South East Asia for a while and leave the poor whites in West Virginia alone.

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    He was obviously joking, stop taking everything so literally

    Yeah, poor racist whites deserve just as much sympathy and justice as blacks. Both are equally held back by the ruling class.
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    I'm of the opinion we just round up people who answer questions in a racist fashion, stick them on a large island, and welcome them back 150 years later when they return with an accent and a more tolerant culture not based on the protestant religion.


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    I hate to be the one to break this to you, KS... But humans don't live 150 years.

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    Come on Keke he's just a kid. Let him have his dreams.
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    It was an Australia parody. Wiki it- you'll be ok.


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